Mcu 6-a and speed rough draft

[RoTt35]

Even if we assume that Thor could vaporize all of Sokovia, the result would only be 229.7 Gigatons

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Even if we assume that Thor could vaporize all of Sokovia, the result would only be 229.7 Gigatons

Yeah, I see. And since were getting back 6-B it's kinda redundant

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Party Thor also apparently blow up alpha star with one of his parties

(0:38)

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Party Thor also apparently blow up alpha star with one of his parties

(0:38)

4-C Party Thor because of his parties seems kinda weird. And I don't think scaling main timeline counterparts to their What If...? counterparts is currently accepted unless there's strong evidence that they are identical, like in the case of Doctor Strange

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I think Hela crushing it was like somewhere in tier 5. I could be wrong

I did make an off-site 5-B calc based on a different Low 5-B calc several months ago

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

4-C Party Thor because of his parties seems kinda weird. And I don't think scaling main timeline counterparts to their What If...? counterparts is currently accepted unless there's strong evidence that they are identical, like in the case of Doctor Strange

Not saying he should be 4-c, just bringing it up as something I found. Besides there’s to many factors to consider when looking at this “feat”. His pretty much the same expect his a spoiled brat

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

His pretty much the same expect his a spoiled brat

This, I agree with, but I don't think the wiki would accept it

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

This, I 100% agree with. But I don't think the wiki would accept it

They should since that’s the only thing different(besides I’ll only be using for supporting evidence at best)

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Also is anyone gonna redo the shaking calc with the info I’ve provided?

 

[KLOL506]

What's to note is that he also uses vaporization.
After looking at KLOL's original calc It is stated that it would vaporize the city, why isnt that used for a portion of the calc?

Because it's brute-force KE most of the way.

 

[KLOL506]

Also is anyone gonna redo the shaking calc with the info I’ve provided?

Like I said, still too vague without asking the VFX artists what dimension of the Canyon they were referring to when they made the comparison.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Like I said, still too vague without asking the VFX artists what dimension of the Canyon they were referring to when they made the comparison.

They litterly say the “Grand Canyon” times hundered and then double down and call it a super-sized canyon. There’s absolutely no reason not to use the same dimensions as the entire Grand Canyon. If they just said it’s a super big canyon then sure that’s vague, but there straight up giving us a comparison to work with, so Idk why it needs to be super technically now.

 

[KLOL506]

They litterly say the “Grand Canyon” times hundered and then double down and call it a super-sized canyon.
There’s absolutely no reason not to use the same dimensions as the entire Grand Canyon. If they just said it’s a super big canyon then sure that’s vague, but there straight up giving us a comparison to work with, so Idk why it needs to be super technically now.

They don't mention whether they're specifically multiplying the area by 100 or the length/width separately by 100.

 

[KLOL506]

Varying width of what?

The IRL canyon. Ranges anywhere from 6-18 miles in width.

why not just times them individually buy a 100 to get your answer?

You'd need evidence that they specifically meant the length and width individually.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

They don't mention whether they're specifically multiplying the area by 100 or the length/width separately by 100.

And they don’t need to, it’s clear this is an all around comparison to the canyon

The IRL canyon. Ranges anywhere from 6-18 miles in width.


You'd need evidence that they specifically meant the length and width individually.

Ok then use the same values of width of the canyon

why do I need more evidence that they specifically mean the length and width when they already the compared it to the whole thing. What exactly is so special about length and width?

 

[KLOL506]

And they don’t need to, it’s clear this is an all around comparison to the canyon

If that is the case then what reason do they have to not just use the area obtained from the 277*18 value?

Huh? We’re did you get 6 miles from? It’s just 18 miles wide

At its widest point.

Actually no wait, it's 4-18 miles. Not that it matters much.

why do I need more evidence that they specifically mean the length and width when they already the compared it to the whole thing.

It's in the word. "Size". If they meant length they'd clearly say "100 times the length".

What exactly is so special about length and width?

Nothing, just that they aren't specifically mentioned here. Only the word "size" is.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

If that is the case then what reason do they have to not just use the area obtained from the 277*18 value?


At its widest point.

Actually no wait, it's 4-18 miles. Not that it matters much.


It's in the word. "Size". If they meant length they'd clearly say "100 times the length".


Nothing, just that they aren't specifically mentioned here. Only the word "size" is.

Idk I guess they wanted it be super big

Ok then use the same values of width of the canyon. Or just use the lowest and highest width for high and low balls

I doubt it, when people compare something in size they generally mean an all around comparison

ya and size can also be used for width and length

 

[KLOL506]

Ok then use the same values of width of the canyon. Or just use the lowest and highest width for high and low balls

Wouldn't matter much. Using Google Maps the area would be right around the 4000 - 5000 sq mi mark.

I doubt it, when people compare something in size they generally mean an all around comparison

ya and size can also be used for width and length

Maybe so, but in this case we need more evidence than that.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Wouldn't matter much. Using Google Maps the area would be right around the 4000 - 5000 sq mi mark.


Maybe so, but in this case we need more evidence than that.

On average?

why? If they wanted to specify the width or the length then they would have instead of just doing a general comparison

 

[RoTt35]

Shouldn't Surtur be High 6-B with the Twilight Sword since he one-shot Hela and destroyed Asgard?

 

[Coolboy6]

Shouldn't Surtur be High 6-B with the Twilight Sword since he one-shot Hela and destroyed Asgard?

The sword destroyed the core of Asgard, not it directly from what I’ve heard unfortunately

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Shouldn't Surtur be High 6-B with the Twilight Sword since he one-shot Hela and destroyed Asgard?

Destroying Asgard was because Surtur stabbed the crystal structure and it went boom according to the script. He himself didn't cause the explosion

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Shouldn't Surtur be High 6-B with the Twilight Sword since he one-shot Hela and destroyed Asgard?

He should be higher tbh. Due to Hela statment of the eternal flame being above the tesseract

 

[KLOL506]

Shouldn't Surtur be High 6-B with the Twilight Sword since he one-shot Hela and destroyed Asgard?

No. He directly impacted the core, the imminent High 6-B boom destroyed both him and the sword. It was essentially a chain reaction, if the sword was that strong then Surtur would've just waved it at Asgard from a distance and walked away. But he didn't.

 

[KLOL506]

He should be higher tbh. Due to Hela statment of the eternal flame being above the tesseract

Tesseract crushing has no tier anymore due to the wonky assumptions of the old calc, and the High 6-B boom killed him.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tesseract crushing has no tier anymore due to the wonky assumptions of the old calc

They aren't talking about the Tesseract crushing calc. They are talking about scaling Surtur's AP above the Tesseract's, like what they brought up two pages ago

There’s also the tesseract having the potential energy to wipe out a planet

(1:41)

then there’s Hela thinking surtur’s power is greater

(1:19)

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Tesseract crushing has no tier anymore due to the wonky assumptions of the old calc, and the High 6-B boom killed him.

I wasn’t talking about the crushing feat I was talking about him straight up being more powerful then the tesseract

(0:18)
Probably cuz fate tbh

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Also I’m just curious but how much energy dose a neutron star output?

 

[KLOL506]

I wasn’t talking about the crushing feat I was talking about him straight up being more powerful then the tesseract

(0:18)
Probably cuz fate tbh

I mean, the Tesseract's offensive power isn't necessarily generated from the stone like that, it has to be harnessed separately into other weapons. The Stone on its own? Useless.

 

[KLOL506]

Also I’m just curious but how much energy dose a neutron star output?

7.17 kilotons of TNT or 30 trillion joules. 7-C.

 

[KLOL506]

But this one Quora link which has sources and math for it states that the energy yield is around 4.5e38 ergs or 4e+31 J (5-C, Moon level)

Problem is tho, the Neutron Star in Infinity War has darkened out and doesn't have remotely anywhere near as much power because it's too old.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

7.17 kilotons of TNT or 30 trillion joules. 7-C.

Thought it would be higher

But this one Quora link which has sources and math for it states that the energy yield is around 4.5e38 ergs or 4e+31 J (5-C, Moon level)

Problem is tho, the Neutron Star in Infinity War has darkened out and doesn't have remotely anywhere near as much power because it's too old.

Wasn’t it rigenited thought? Besides aren’t all neutron stars old?

 

[KLOL506]

Wasn’t it rigenited thought?

No, it was always active but the doors inside it had closed.

Besides aren’t all neutron stars old?

Some are particularly older than others. Older they get, the more energy they lose.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No, it was always active but the doors inside it had closed.


Some are particularly older than others. Older they get, the more energy they lose.

No, it was always active but the doors inside it had closed.


Some are particularly older than others. Older they get, the more energy they lose.

Ok

ok then how can you tell this one is super old?

 

[Z's_Universe]

No, it was always active but the doors inside it had closed.


Some are particularly older than others. Older they get, the more energy they lose.

Honestly, without direct confirmation of its age, it seems like too much headcannon to assume it's so much older than any others and therefore has less energy. Does Eitri mention how long the Forge has been active? I think he might've.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

And even then isn’t it possible that nidvallar is also controlling/harnessing it’s gravity since rocket and groot haven’t been turned into noodles or whatever?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

And even then isn’t it possible that nidvallar is also controlling/harnessing it’s gravity since rocket and groot haven’t been turned into noodles or whatever?

That can kinda be explained by the outer casing.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That can kinda be explained by the outer casing.

Would that really null it’s gravity?

 

[Z's_Universe]

Would that really null it’s gravity?

If you're talking about the dyson sphere. Then yeah, I think the outer casing is supposed to neutralize all the properties of the star until it was restarted.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Would that really null it’s gravity?

We have ships capable of doing that already in the MCU so I don't see why Space Gods with magic can't do that.