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I do still agree with this mostly but I think spidey should be sub-rel with spidey senses for NWH for reasons I've said before
IDK about this, Strange didn't exactly go full power against Spidey nor did Peter use his Spider-Senses to blitz Strange, he's just... well... very good at math.That sounds good but again bringing up Spidey because no one's gave opinions on this though I feel like it's not outrageous and solves the Spidey problem without directly cutting him off from Strange completely
Not for the fight since that wasn't him using that I mean literally we saw how above his normal speeds his spidey senses were when he was in his astral form like the dude's body is literally is keeping the box away from strange under astral form time perception and we see this is his Spidey senses that's been my argument as I also believe strange held back considerably against peter during the fight following (Also Strange being as fast as he was during the Astral Time perception is a crazy enough speed feat as it is)IDK about this, Strange didn't exactly go full power against Spidey nor did Peter use his Spider-Senses to blitz Strange, he's just... well... very good at math.
Personally I feel like this works and it doesn't break the already established chain with spidey still scaling to strange in some way and it gives him something more definite and concrete than just higher with spidey senses as it does reflect one of his best showings with it speedwiseNot for the fight since that wasn't him using that I mean literally we saw how above his normal speeds his spidey senses were when he was in his astral form like the dude's body is literally is keeping the box away from strange under astral form time perception and we see this is his Spidey senses that's been my argument as I also believe strange held back considerably against peter during the fight following (Also Strange being as fast as he was during the Astral Time perception is a crazy enough speed feat as it is)
I agree. Spider-Man would probably then get "up to Sub-Relativistic with Spider-Sense"Personally I feel like this works and it doesn't break the already established chain with spidey still scaling to strange in some way and it gives him something more definite and concrete than just higher with spidey senses as it does reflect one of his best showings with it speedwise
I mean considering that would probably be one of his best showings on screen and the fact we already have spidey senses rated under his speed I don't see why it wouldn't continued to be listed as such especially when he's not exactly blitzing people over when operating normally it can be a simple at most sub rel with spidey sensesBut isn’t his spider sense basically just precog? It doesn’t really make him faster
Ya but agian it doesn’t enhance his speed it’s just precog. I don’t see spider sense in the speed section of his profile. That’s probably due to him either pulling his punches or he straight up can’t blitz them because there own his level(goblin,ock, lizard and electro). And by scaling it shouldn’t be out of his abilities since Andrew could casually bully some guy with his speedI mean considering that would probably be one of his best showings on screen and the fact we already have spidey senses rated under his speed I don't see why it wouldn't continued to be listed as such especially when he's not exactly blitzing people over when operating normally it can be a simple at most sub rel with spidey senses
Ya but agian it doesn’t enhance his speed it’s just precog. I don’t see spider sense in the speed section of his profile. That’s probably due to him either pulling his punches or he straight up can’t blitz them because there own his level(goblin,ock, lizard and electro). And by scaling it shouldn’t be out of his abilities since Andrew could casually bully some guy with his speed
I know I’m just saying Tom should be able blitz people on his own via scalingTalking about Tom and his showing against strange under the astral realm time with his spidey senses not andrew
Tom explicitly has a higher with spidey senses rating and has a pretty impressive showing against Strange
Yeah I should've specified I meant like those who scale to him normally he's not exactly blitzing them normally so it'd make sense for his senses to have a rating better than just higher when we have a pretty decent showing for themI know I’m just saying Tom should be able blitz people on his own via scaling
It's all good lol we're on the same page nowOh I see it now, messed it on my first look through. Yes I know, I’ve brought it up myself in the
Oh ok, ya that kinda makes senseYeah I should've specified I meant like those who scale to him normally he's not exactly blitzing them normally so it'd make sense for his senses to have a rating better than just higher when we have a pretty decent showing for them
It's all good lol we're on the same page now
Should we allow Cap to scale to Spider-Man, Spider-Man was just starting out (They didn't even allow him to throw a punch in Civil War for that very reason). His Spider-Sense also isn't quite as good as it is in Far From Home and No Way Home. He seemed to be very casual with his fight against Sam and Bucky (Who both scale to Steve in speed) and seemed to be dominating them during most the battle.So the only thing left for this thread is Spider-Man scaling?
To who? Right now the peeps scale to him, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and Ultron.Why does Spider-Man scale?
Do you mean why or who?Why does Spider-Man scale?
The scaling chains with Thor, Hulk, Iron Man and Ultron also come to mind, it isn't just Spider-Man being at play.Should we allow Cap to scale to Spider-Man, Spider-Man was just starting out (They didn't even allow him to throw a punch in Civil War for that very reason). His Spider-Sense also isn't quite as good as it is in Far From Home and No Way Home. He seemed to be very casual with his fight against Sam and Bucky (Who both scale to Steve in speed) and seemed to be dominating them during most the battle.
The compromise was 'with Spider-Sense'I mean why would Spider-Man be sub-rel
Except, he won't. He's stuck at MHS+ until he shows himself to be able to blitz the current Sub-rel characters directly.I mean why would Spider-Man be sub-rel
Does this look like the Sub-Relativistic MCU Upgrade thread to you? (I'm just playing but that's probably going to be it own thread)Is Sub-Relativistic scaling gonna be applied with this thread?
HOHOHO you underestimate this thread's power, the top tiers already got the boost. Spidey most likely won't.Does this look like the Sub-Relativistic MCU Upgrade thread to you? (I'm just playing but that's probably going to be it own thread)
Still not sure that's a good idea IMHO. Him being able to move his body around with Spider-Sense away from Strange really doesn't say much, I'm sure Strange could've gone full power and blitzed him back, he was just surprised that Peter's body could even instinctively react like that at first. But he definitely wouldn't go full power against a kid and just rub it in his face, because again, Peter's a kid, he just doesn't think straight sometimes despite his intellect.The compromise was 'with Spider-Sense'
I was under the impression that it was agreed onStill not sure that's a good idea IMHO. Him being able to move his body around with Spider-Sense away from Strange really doesn't say much, I'm sure Strange could've gone full power and blitzed him back, he was just surprised that Peter's body could even instinctively react like that at first. But he definitely wouldn't go full power against a kid and just rub it in his face, because again, Peter's a kid, he just doesn't think straight sometimes despite his intellect.
Carol, Thanos, Scarlet Witch without a doubtYeah can someone list all the sub-rel people
haven't been following earlier
The argument is that Thanos moved faster than Thor had ever seen, which is fair. But given Thor's status as one of the top characters of that movie, I don't see why he shouldn't scaleInfinity War Thor doesn't scale?
Apparently he should, Fat Thor however, prolly with two Mjolnirs tho, with just one hammer, maybe an At most rating.Infinity War Thor doesn't scale?
I think you mean "said to be stronger" instead of "said no be stronger". Maybe a typo. Hopefully.Thanos beat awakened Thor pretty easily off-screen at the beginning of Infinity War. Thor was later able to surprise a Thanos who was already exhausted back in Wakanda.
Post-Decimation is said to be stronger, so I assume that also applies to his speed as well, he's shown to be able to fight with Thanos.
?I think you mean "said to be stronger" instead of "said no be stronger". Maybe a typo. Hopefully.