Massively Hypersonic+ MCU Upgrade

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Basic CRT that should've been done ages ago, but there were other MCU CRTs at the time (also by me lol).

Accepted Scaling
Spider-Man is rated as Massively Hypersonic+, and tons of characters scale to him directly or indirectly. Every single Massively Hypersonic character becomes Massively Hypersonic+ via powerscaling.

Other Scaling To Be Decided
I have seen off-site arguments that Thor should scale to Mjolnir's speed since he controlled its movements, steered and guided it in the movies like Thor: The Dark World. If this is accepted, Thor and those who scale to him will be Massively Hypersonic+ by additional scaling to Mjolnir's flight speed (maybe even Sub-Relativistic).

 

[Dalesean027]

Pretty sure this was accepted it just hasn't been applied

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I shouldn't be allowed to do CRTs

 

[Jibz]

Im fine with those scaling to Spiderman's combat and reaction speed being given mhs+ as long there isn't some unique situation going on with spiderman's speed which there doesn't seem to be.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I have seen off-site arguments that Thor should scale to Mjolnir's speed since he controlled its movements, steered and guided it in the movies like Thor: The Dark World.

When did he do that?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

When did he do that?

I think they are referring to when Thor was separated from Mjolnir and he constantly summoned it back to him and he manoeuvred its flight

 

[Qawsedf234]

Mjolnir is just it homing back onto Thor. Its why it kept flying to space and back when he was being teleported around. I think the only showing Thor ever got of actual control was when he threw it in a circle and even then it might not be control as much as a skill thing.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Mjolnir is just it homing back onto Thor. Its why it kept flying to space and back when he was being teleported around.

Mjolnir seemed to be manoeuvring around the streets without hitting anything too, so it might have been Thor's control, but what you said also makes sense

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Agree with scalings everyones speed to Spidey
Neutral on the Thor stuff for now

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Feels wanky to even have Spider-Man at MHS+

 

[KLOL506]

Feels wanky to even have Spider-Man at MHS+

You should've been on the NWH CRT then to voice your opinion where we accepted it. No point in complaining about it now and derailing the thread. Even before this Iron Boy Jr. had an accepted MHS meteor calc (without the +). MHS to MHS+ is way more consistent than most put it out to be now, we got Thor, we got the hammers, Aaron-Taylor Johnson, the meteors, Iron Man flying from the Atlantic to Siberia, etcetera.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Spidey has reacted to Electro's lightning and is comparable to the TASM Spidey who has done the same, and has the meteor feat
I think MHS+ is fine

 

[KLOL506]

Spidey has reacted to Electro's lightning and is comparable to the TASM Spidey who has done the same, and has the meteor feat
I think MHS+ is fine

Ain't up for debate anymore, this was all settled in the NWH CRT. Heck, this doesn't even scale to travel speed FFS.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree to this other than Thor's flight speed scaling. Could you shows scans for the Thor thing?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Could you shows scans for the Thor thing?

I think it's mainly these scenes where Thor summons Mjolnir back to him

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I think it's mainly these scenes where Thor summons Mjolnir back to him

That clip of Thor summoning Mjolnir to Earth looks pretty impressive aswell
Would that require planet culvature scaling to calc?

 

[KLOL506]

That clip of Thor summoning Mjolnir to Earth looks pretty impressive aswell
Would that require planet culvature scaling to calc?

Yeah, you'd need curvature scaling

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

****
I don't know how to do that

 

[KLOL506]

****
I don't know how to do that

I could only do the curvature part, but the further angsizing for distance finding? Nah, that's not upto my mark.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Is there another formula for ang sizing objects with planet curvature?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Idk about the Mjolnir scaling but MHS+ Spidey seems pretty straightforward

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah like before nothing in Dark World implies Thor can do this with Mjolnir. With Spider-Man's reaction speed everyone Thor fights can also react to Mjolnir without needing to be as fast as Mjolnir.

 

[KLOL506]

Is there another formula for ang sizing objects with planet curvature?

Not sure.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Not sure.

So i guess it'd just be planet curvature to get the actual shown size of the planet and then regular ang sizing using that size?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So Mjolnir scaling is undecided, but Spider-Man scaling is generally accepted. Can the accepted changes be applied?

 

[Propellus]

Feels wanky to even have Spider-Man at MHS+

How would it be wanky to have Spider-Man at MHS+ when he usually reacts to lightning on a basis?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

What about just scaling the god tiers to Rel+ via wakanda notes stating quick silver was approaching light speed and of course captain marvels photons and ultrons repulsors.


Agreed!

 

[KLOL506]

How would it be wanky to have Spider-Man at MHS+ when he usually reacts to lightning on a basis?

Never mind the fact that Hela exists, Spidey has a hundred-mach feat in Infinity War and the hammers exist. And Iron Man flying from the Raft (Middle of the Atlantic) to Siberia within minutes if not seconds.

Anyway, it's not worth derailing over it. Matt only comes to threads like this to say that he disagrees, he refuses to elaborate further and then he leaves. That's all he ever does nowadays.

 

[KLOL506]

So Mjolnir scaling is undecided, but Spider-Man scaling is generally accepted. Can the accepted changes be applied?

Seems like it.

REMEMBER, MHS+ IS STRICTLY COMBAT SPEED AND REACTIONS ONLY. Only the Spideys get MHS+ short-burst movement speed as well as normal MHS+ combat speed and reactions.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

So thor is kinda comparable to quicksilver who sees captain america (MHS+) in slow motion.
Therefore, thor and the people that scale to him are atleast MHS+ likely far higher?

 

[KLOL506]

So thor is kinda comparable to quicksilver who sees captain america (MHS+) in slow motion.
Therefore, thor and the people that scale to him are atleast MHS+ likely far higher?

Aye, anyone that scales to Thor or Quicksilver is at least MHS+.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Aye, anyone that scales to Thor or Quicksilver is at least MHS+.

If the Johnathan stuff is accepted then quicksilver is gonna be sub-rel likely far higher then.

 

[KLOL506]

If the Johnathan stuff is accepted then quicksilver is gonna be sub-rel likely far higher then.

Johna-who?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

(maybe even Sub-Relativistic).

Yeah so about that, i feel like sub rel should definitely be used considering its the one of the only things that moved in quicksilvers vision. Which views characters like cap and tony (mach 1,514) as frozen

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Johna-who?

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah so about that, i feel like sub rel should definitely be used considering its the one of the only things that moved in quicksilvers vision. Which views characters like cap and tony (mach 1,514) as frozen

Nah, the sub-rel calc needs to be re-done using curvature. Will butcher results.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Don't love it but I agree with MHS+.

 

[Qawsedf234]

No one gets a "Likely far higher rating". Thor is faster than the others but not fast enough to warrant something radically different or new.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

MHS+ scaling is fine to me.

 

[Propellus]

Yeah so about that, i feel like sub rel should definitely be used considering its the one of the only things that moved in quicksilvers vision. Which views characters like cap and tony (mach 1,514) as frozen

Didn't silver completely blitz Thor?