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Massively Hypersonic+ MCU Upgrade

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Peak Scarlet Witch is a bit weird since she's supposed to be a normal human without magic, but there's no possible way for her to fight Thanos if she's not fast enough. Whatever I suppose, she doesn't scale to anyone.
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I do have to question whether she was even going full power against the other peeps like BP and Bart and stuff.

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Captain Marvel doesn't scale with a lot of people too so that's fine.
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She's straight up Sub-Rel in movement, combat speeds and reactions so that's a given. After all, the peeps only get Sub-Rel combat speeed and reactions.

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Thanos fights a lot of people but given how he's holding back a lot of the time there shouldn't be severe scaling issues.

Gets a bit tricky when it comes to Thor and Iron Man but as long as it's just their prime versions I think it's alright.
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Yeah, nobody scales except Post-Awakened Thor w/ hammers and Marks 50-85 IM, Tony having given Thanos the most difficulty after Strange.

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Hulk is kinda slow I guess so he doesn't scale?
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Yep. Stuck at MHS+ he is.
 
Infinity War Thor doesn't seem to have much solid scaling to either the MHS+ or Sub-Rel ppl tbh. He mostly just stomps Outriders in the movie and surprise Thanos. Maybe "at least MHS+" for him and Hela?
 
The Sub-Relativistic comes from Captain Marvel when she just started to use her powers, whereas Thanos and co. scale to Captain Marvel after she had decades of experience and skill of using her powers since, so I don't see a problem with outright scaling them like what Emirp said
 
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Sir_Marvulous said:
So do we agree on Sub-Relativistic Infinity War Thor? The only counter to it is a fight that happened while he hadn't recovered from being badly injured
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LMFAO that's not a counter, that's a copout, Stormbreaker regenerated him instantly.

Also remember that this is combat speed and reactions only.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Why does Spider-Man scale?
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Stg I'm gonna have an aneurysm if I have to bring this up again
Dalesean027 said:
Not for the fight since that wasn't him using that I mean literally we saw how above his normal speeds his spidey senses were when he was in his astral form like the dude's body is literally is keeping the box away from strange under astral form time perception and we see this is his Spidey senses that's been my argument as I also believe strange held back considerably against peter during the fight following (Also Strange being as fast as he was during the Astral Time perception is a crazy enough speed feat as it is)
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Dalesean027 said:
I mean considering that would probably be one of his best showings on screen and the fact we already have spidey senses rated under his speed I don't see why it wouldn't continued to be listed as such especially when he's not exactly blitzing people over when operating normally it can be a simple at most sub rel with spidey senses
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Dalesean027 said:
Talking about Tom and his showing against strange under the astral realm time with his spidey senses not andrew


Tom explicitly has a higher with spidey senses rating and has a pretty impressive showing against Strange
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Pls this was the specific reason sub rel spidey senses were brought up yall gotta read whether ya agree or not I just ask yall read

At work so I can't look at this right away either
 
There was also no compromise suggested to be just sub-rel with spidey senses and never was there an arguement I believe to have spidey outright as sub-rel making said compromise useless, the actual suggestion was at most sub-rel with spidey senses because of reasons said above


Although that all aside I see we still think he was holding back simply trying to grab the box there even though he does want it and isn't needing to attack peter in said scenario(both are shown moving as blurs in the astral plane perception btw but meh, I'd personally say that's a better showing than with electro at could qualify for at most but if not then it's cool)
 
It was already accepted in the NWH CRT that Doctor Strange was serious about getting back the box and therefore wasn't holding back in speed, and was only simply not doing anything that could kill Peter, so I find it weird that it's now being disagreed with due to Strange soon being upgraded by scaling to a greater feat
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
It was already accepted in the NWH CRT that Doctor Strange was serious about getting back the box and therefore wasn't holding back in speed, and was only simply not doing anything that could kill Peter, so I find it weird that it's now being disagreed with due to Strange soon being upgraded by scaling to a greater feat
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Astral plane feat we're talking about not the fight
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
My point is that people in this thread dismissed the fight as Strange holding back his speed rather than just not using lethal spells despite being very serious about getting the box back

That's already how it's accepted btw, was agreed on in the NWH updates thread
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yeah which again is why I'm not talking about the actually fight when they're in the mirror dimension and shit literally talking about strange just palming peter immediately which happens before they hop into the mirror dimension and have their big battle
 
But again though I've already elaborated what I was talking about specifically here since people somehow missed my comments prior
Dalesean027 said:
Stg I'm gonna have an aneurysm if I have to bring this up again





Pls this was the specific reason sub rel spidey senses were brought up yall gotta read whether ya agree or not I just ask yall read

At work so I can't look at this right away either
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Dalesean027 said:
There was also no compromise suggested to be just sub-rel with spidey senses and never was there an arguement I believe to have spidey outright as sub-rel making said compromise useless, the actual suggestion was at most sub-rel with spidey senses because of reasons said above


Although that all aside I see we still think he was holding back simply trying to grab the box there even though he does want it and isn't needing to attack peter in said scenario(both are shown moving as blurs in the astral plane perception btw but meh, I'd personally say that's a better showing than with electro at could qualify for at most but if not then it's cool)
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And as I said there it's fine if it's not accepted I just wanted people to actually know what was being said since it was being missed somehow
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The astral plane feat falls under 'higher with Spider-Sense'
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Which is why it's being brought up to begin with since it's the absolute peak feat we've seen of his spidey sense and why I'm trying to see if at most sub-rel with spidey sense would work with this feat being the justification but no staff have responded any time I've tried to talk about it
 
Dalesean027 said:
Which is why it's being brought up to begin with since it's the absolute peak feat we've seen of his spidey sense and why I'm trying to see if at most sub-rel with spidey sense would work with this feat being the justification but no staff have responded any time I've tried to talk about it
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'Sub-Relativistic combat speed and reactions, higher with Spider-Sense' looks like where it's going. It's just that Spider-Man scaling to Strange is being cut off from a lot of other characters so they don't just scale to the fastest movement speed in the verse
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
'Sub-Relativistic combat speed and reactions, higher with Spider-Sense' looks like where it's going. It's just that Spider-Man scaling to Strange is being cut off from a lot of other characters so they don't just scale to the fastest movement speed in the verse
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Which is fine I never believed he should scale movement speed wise or combat wise to those who are sub rel but his absolute peak feat for his spidey senses speed comes from this brief scene which is why I think it should qualify at the very very least for "at most sub rel with spidey senses" if not "possibly" or "likely" either option is better than dismissing the scene completely since it's right before they have their big fight which we all agree strange was holding back in
 
Like literally the fight hasn't started when peter does this feat he literally had just ran out the sanctum and tried to shoot a web two seperate times to swing away and just got with strange just quickly portaling him, pulling him in close and then bam astral plane, the scene was like 20 seconds at most like it's literally not their fight yet we're dismissing it when he's in the astral plane with his spidey senses active keeping the box away
 
And again, Strange was still very serious about getting back the box that has the potential to destabilize the multiverse. That's a matter he can be serious over without throwing out lethal spells at Peter
 
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