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right heresaid no be stronger
I do have to question whether she was even going full power against the other peeps like BP and Bart and stuff.Peak Scarlet Witch is a bit weird since she's supposed to be a normal human without magic, but there's no possible way for her to fight Thanos if she's not fast enough. Whatever I suppose, she doesn't scale to anyone.
She's straight up Sub-Rel in movement, combat speeds and reactions so that's a given. After all, the peeps only get Sub-Rel combat speeed and reactions.Captain Marvel doesn't scale with a lot of people too so that's fine.
Yeah, nobody scales except Post-Awakened Thor w/ hammers and Marks 50-85 IM, Tony having given Thanos the most difficulty after Strange.Thanos fights a lot of people but given how he's holding back a lot of the time there shouldn't be severe scaling issues.
Gets a bit tricky when it comes to Thor and Iron Man but as long as it's just their prime versions I think it's alright.
Yep. Stuck at MHS+ he is.Hulk is kinda slow I guess so he doesn't scale?
I understand the concern, however I would find it more concerning if he didn't scale than if he didI think you mean "said to be stronger" instead of "said no be stronger". Maybe a typo. Hopefully.
But even so, that first fluke Thor had against Thanos can raise some eyebrows.
Yeah I fixed the typo to show it to you where you made it.?
Where's the "no"
Edit: The no isn't showing up in the quoted text, but it is in the original. Yes, it is a typo
He throw hammer and cast lightning at those speedsInfinity War Thor doesn't seem to have much solid scaling to either the MHS+
There's already an accepted calc for it although if it got requested for recalc then I don't know if it isWasn't there a Mjolnir feat from Thor: The Dark World that's supposed to be calced, when Thor summons it back to Earth from space in seconds?
I meant to the people on that level not that he doesn't have feats.Thor has a huge array of MHS+ feats, so I don't know what that was supposed to mean lol
The one that is currently used for Mjolnir is when it flies into space. I'm talking about when it comes back from spaceThere's already an accepted calc for it although if it got requested for recalc then I don't know if it is
There's no accepted calc for that yet
Ah hell nawYeah, I brought it up earlier in the thread (apparently it got MFTL in the past lol, but it needs to be recalced).
Forget it LOL, I tried re-calcing without using the sun and only using the Earth and "BRI-AIN" and I got MFTL as well.Ah hell naw
I agreeSo do we agree on Sub-Relativistic Infinity War Thor? The only counter to it is a fight that happened after he hadn't recovered from being badly injured
LMFAO that's not a counter, that's a copout, Stormbreaker regenerated him instantly.So do we agree on Sub-Relativistic Infinity War Thor? The only counter to it is a fight that happened while he hadn't recovered from being badly injured
Yeah, that means he recovered lolLMFAO that's not a counter, that's a copout, Stormbreaker regenerated him instantly.
Stg I'm gonna have an aneurysm if I have to bring this up againWhy does Spider-Man scale?
Not for the fight since that wasn't him using that I mean literally we saw how above his normal speeds his spidey senses were when he was in his astral form like the dude's body is literally is keeping the box away from strange under astral form time perception and we see this is his Spidey senses that's been my argument as I also believe strange held back considerably against peter during the fight following (Also Strange being as fast as he was during the Astral Time perception is a crazy enough speed feat as it is)
I mean considering that would probably be one of his best showings on screen and the fact we already have spidey senses rated under his speed I don't see why it wouldn't continued to be listed as such especially when he's not exactly blitzing people over when operating normally it can be a simple at most sub rel with spidey senses
Pls this was the specific reason sub rel spidey senses were brought up yall gotta read whether ya agree or not I just ask yall readTalking about Tom and his showing against strange under the astral realm time with his spidey senses not andrew
Tom explicitly has a higher with spidey senses rating and has a pretty impressive showing against Strange
Astral plane feat we're talking about not the fightIt was already accepted in the NWH CRT that Doctor Strange was serious about getting back the box and therefore wasn't holding back in speed, and was only simply not doing anything that could kill Peter, so I find it weird that it's now being disagreed with due to Strange soon being upgraded by scaling to a greater feat
My point is that people in this thread dismissed the fight as Strange holding back his speed rather than just not using lethal spells despite being very serious about getting the box backAstral plane feat we're talking about not the fight
yeah which again is why I'm not talking about the actually fight when they're in the mirror dimension and shit literally talking about strange just palming peter immediately which happens before they hop into the mirror dimension and have their big battleMy point is that people in this thread dismissed the fight as Strange holding back his speed rather than just not using lethal spells despite being very serious about getting the box back
That's already how it's accepted btw, was agreed on in the NWH updates thread
Stg I'm gonna have an aneurysm if I have to bring this up again
Pls this was the specific reason sub rel spidey senses were brought up yall gotta read whether ya agree or not I just ask yall read
At work so I can't look at this right away either
And as I said there it's fine if it's not accepted I just wanted people to actually know what was being said since it was being missed somehowThere was also no compromise suggested to be just sub-rel with spidey senses and never was there an arguement I believe to have spidey outright as sub-rel making said compromise useless, the actual suggestion was at most sub-rel with spidey senses because of reasons said above
Although that all aside I see we still think he was holding back simply trying to grab the box there even though he does want it and isn't needing to attack peter in said scenario(both are shown moving as blurs in the astral plane perception btw but meh, I'd personally say that's a better showing than with electro at could qualify for at most but if not then it's cool)
Which is why it's being brought up to begin with since it's the absolute peak feat we've seen of his spidey sense and why I'm trying to see if at most sub-rel with spidey sense would work with this feat being the justification but no staff have responded any time I've tried to talk about itThe astral plane feat falls under 'higher with Spider-Sense'
'Sub-Relativistic combat speed and reactions, higher with Spider-Sense' looks like where it's going. It's just that Spider-Man scaling to Strange is being cut off from a lot of other characters so they don't just scale to the fastest movement speed in the verseWhich is why it's being brought up to begin with since it's the absolute peak feat we've seen of his spidey sense and why I'm trying to see if at most sub-rel with spidey sense would work with this feat being the justification but no staff have responded any time I've tried to talk about it
Which is fine I never believed he should scale movement speed wise or combat wise to those who are sub rel but his absolute peak feat for his spidey senses speed comes from this brief scene which is why I think it should qualify at the very very least for "at most sub rel with spidey senses" if not "possibly" or "likely" either option is better than dismissing the scene completely since it's right before they have their big fight which we all agree strange was holding back in'Sub-Relativistic combat speed and reactions, higher with Spider-Sense' looks like where it's going. It's just that Spider-Man scaling to Strange is being cut off from a lot of other characters so they don't just scale to the fastest movement speed in the verse
Yeah but that's what we're agreeing on to keep the scaling consistent and we at least do know he really didn't intend on or want to actually try to hurt peterI don't think that fight would've been used for scaling if Strange held back by that much
Literally no one at all except the movie Spider-Man ensemble scales to No Way Home Spider-ManYeah but that's what we're agreeing on to keep the scaling consistent and we at least do know he really didn't intend on or want to actually try to hurt peter
Huh??? Well yeah? I'm not understanding what point you're making I thought that was agreed uponLiterally no one at all except the movie Spider-Man ensemble scales to No Way Home Spider-Man