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Spideys MHS+ feat comes from NWH so that would downgrade a lot of peeps
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Massively Hypersonic+ MCU Upgrade
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It'd prolly downgrade the non-Cap-tier peeps to MHS while NWH Spidey comfortably remains at MHS+ alongside Cap-tier people + Iron Man and stronger.
Though Scarlet Witch existing, Thanos being a thing, Doctor Strange also existing kinda puts a wrench into that. Iron Man with just Mark 46 gloves kept up with Bucky and was only taken out because of the sheer strength advantage that Bucky had over human Tony.
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Yeah, they'll probably be downgraded to MHS via IW Spidey
The weird thing though is how we're gonna explain Spidey grew hundreds of times in speed with no explanation
The weird thing though is how we're gonna explain Spidey grew hundreds of times in speed with no explanation
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So either MHS guys who don't scale to nwh spidey or just completely cut spidey off from strange who he has showings against
Honestly at least he has showings with strange and there's really no reason for anyone to scale for spidey post his boost in ffh and nwh to begin with
Something has to be done and I don't think anyone will be too upset about that
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Spidey senses awakened post IW and Endgame he has better showings now that's it lol
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I guess we can always go off by their own showings for consistency? Strange has been more consistently up against opponents superior to Spidey
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Yup going by consistency we'd have an obvious bunch who scale to certain feats and kinda works with how they're portrayed(as much as that counts with movie logi )
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If we go by this, Spidey scaling to Strange is cut off and MHS+ scaling is still a thing. But Street level characters don't become Sub Rel
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I'd be fine with this
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Honestly I'm of the opinion that only Cap-tier people, Spideys, Iron Man (Hulk/Thor scaling bullcrap), Strange, Scarlet Witch and the like should stay MHS+. Everyone else gets relegated to Spider-Man's MHS meteor feat.
Though, Spidey growing to 10 times his actual speed in NWH is not the only problem, we also gotta explain how the Scarlet Witch/Hawkeye/Thanos and Iron Man/Bucky/Black Panther/Hulk/Thor situation would be handled, because Quicksilver is now MHS+ and him watching Thor being the only moving person kinda screws up the scaling a bit.
Though, Spidey growing to 10 times his actual speed in NWH is not the only problem, we also gotta explain how the Scarlet Witch/Hawkeye/Thanos and Iron Man/Bucky/Black Panther/Hulk/Thor situation would be handled, because Quicksilver is now MHS+ and him watching Thor being the only moving person kinda screws up the scaling a bit.
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Wouldn't Strange tier people be sub-rela tho?
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Yes. Strange straight keeps up and tags thanos during their fight
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My thing is why are we scaling anyone who doesn't have interactions with spidey after Endgame to Spidey since he has a actual boost in FFH spidey could keep his chain with strange and the other would just lose it after a certain point
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Question: is the Sub-Rela feat a flight speed feat or does it scale to combat speed and reactions?
If not, Strange people remain MHS+ via scaling to Thanos and above Spidey. As it stands right now, Thor peeps are only 1.2x faster than Spideys who are baseline lightning speed of Mach 1291.
If not, Strange people remain MHS+ via scaling to Thanos and above Spidey. As it stands right now, Thor peeps are only 1.2x faster than Spideys who are baseline lightning speed of Mach 1291.
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I agree with this
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It scales to combat speed and reactions
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Thanos could react to Captain Marvel flying
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the feat was done by a weaker captain marvel who was inexperienced and did this on her first flight and also could fight while flying like that so I don't see why not
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Because surprise surprise, Thor and Hulk exist, Iron Man can tag Hulk, Iron Man and Cap both fight against Ultron, and thenBucky, Iron Man and Cap can fight against each other, and you can see where that shitstorm goes.
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Was CM at top speed in that specific scene when Thanos reacted?
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**** cap did fight thanos
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Well it happened when she was trying to get the gauntlet to the van so i assume she'd be going at top speed
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Damn.Yes
What do we do now.
Scarlet Witch exists.
This is script material, correct?
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Cry..
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But seriously there's gotta be a way to make this work
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Yes
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Bruh what the **** do we do in Love and Thunder if someone has a sub-rel or faster combat scaled feat since Valkyrie has just been sitting around ruling Asgard not like training and shit but we see her directly fight Gorr like shit how would that affect the meta
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We could chalk that up to her being empowered by Zeus's Lightning Bolt
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**** it new key since she has Zeus's lightning bolt and will scale to the moon feat
Edit: @OneBleachHurricane you beat me to it lol
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I think the simplest thing to do would be scaling the street tiers to Spider-Man's feats and the high tiers to Captain Marvels flight speed, and cutting off Spider-Man's scaling to Strange
Or Spidey could be in an awkward middle ground with some sort of "possibly Sub-Relativistic" rating
Or Spidey could be in an awkward middle ground with some sort of "possibly Sub-Relativistic" rating
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I M spEd!
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What's the difference between the MHS+ Calc and the Sub-Rel Calc?
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Doesn't comic spidey have like his own spidey sense rating, perhaps we could do something similar
if not then yeah it's either best to just cut off spidey or rework some folks speed
if not then yeah it's either best to just cut off spidey or rework some folks speedOne sec it's copy and paste time
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the Sub-Rel calc is Mach 20849.78 and the MHS+ comes from lightning speed or Mach 1282.79 so that's a 16.25 times difference
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