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I think the argument is that Thor was the only Avenger that was moving from QS’s perception, plus Thor was able to spot QS while he was running.Didn't silver completely blitz Thor?
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I think the argument is that Thor was the only Avenger that was moving from QS’s perception, plus Thor was able to spot QS while he was running.Didn't silver completely blitz Thor?
And quicksilver viewed everyone in slow motionI think the argument is that Thor was the only Avenger that was moving from QS’s perception, plus Thor was able to spot QS while he was running.
No he viewed them as unmoving basically and Thor was still in motion under his vision with mjonir and combat with ultron(also like maverick said he did react to and throw his hammer and quicksilver)And quicksilver viewed everyone in slow motion
Quicksilver on the other hand views the avengers as not moving.No one gets a "Likely far higher rating". Thor is faster than the others but not fast enough to warrant something radically different or new.
What does this even meanFeels wanky to even have Spider-Man at MHS+
Thor was still moving and he even reacts to Quicksilver. I don't think Pietro should get "far higher"Quicksilver on the other hand views the avengers as not moving.
Gving him a far higher rating i think?
Let me explain this better because my explanation is poor ashThor was still moving and he even reacts to Quicksilver. I don't think Pietro should get "far higher"
Idk. Other characters with similar feats on the wiki don't have a "higher" or "far higher" rating for it. I think just "At least Massively Hypersonic+" is betterLet me explain this better because my explanation is poor ash
Quicksilver is rated at least mach 1,312 for punching cap, being supposedly the rating given to viewing the avengers on slow motion.
From this upgrade, captain america will be mach 1,500+ in reaction and attack speeds.
Quicksilver viewed mach 1,500+ characters like cap and iron man as frozen.
The only one moving in his vision was thor, who definitely scales higher in speed then both cap and tony via this feat alone.
Giving quicksilver a “far higher" rating maybe?
Thors rating should also receive a “higher" rating for being the only avenger capable of reacting (kind of) to quicksilver.
I dont know i said this because superman (dceu) has a far higher rating for a feat identical to quicksilvers featIdk. Other characters with similar feats on the wiki don't have a "higher" or "far higher" rating for it. I think just "At least Massively Hypersonic+" is better
That's because he blitzed everyone and kept up the flash who is FTL who can turn back timeI dont know i said this because superman (dceu) has a far higher rating for a feat identical to quicksilvers feat
The flash is only FTL while breaking the rule. From what i know he wasn't going FTL in that sceneThat's because he blitzed everyone and kept up the flash who is FTL who can turn back time
Able to move faster than the speed of light, but restricts himself not to do so.
Flash restricts himself from going that fast. Superman doesn't scale to FTL at allThat's because he blitzed everyone and kept up the flash who is FTL who can turn back time
"At least Massively Hypersonic+" is the safer option imoI dont know i said this because superman (dceu) has a far higher rating for a feat identical to quicksilvers feat
What qualifies as far higher tho?"At least Massively Hypersonic+" is the safer option imo
True.What qualifies as far higher tho?
Isnt “at least” rating given to characters clearly above a certain tier of speed or strength?
Quicksilver isnt just a lil faster then the avengers he deadass views them as frozen.
The calc cannot use scaled speed for anything. So Quicksilver's speed must only be obtained from that scene.Quicksilver is rated at least mach 1,312 for punching cap, being supposedly the rating given to viewing the avengers on slow motion.
With Mjolnir come back to him, sure.Also I gather the Thor Sub Rel thing is a no?
Yeah not sure why his sole reasoning for being MHS+ is blitzing Cap, he should be MHS+ mostly because of that calc.The calc cannot use scaled speed for anything. So Quicksilver's speed must only be obtained from that scene.
ahem Thor and Hela and Thanos ahem Tony flying to Siberia from Raft ahem Hammers ahem Captain MarvelAs a note the MHS+ thing is entirely because of Spider-Man scaling. If you're talking like, consistency or something then people are more consistently super to hypersonic with some MHS high ends that's actually scaleable.
And QS being able to throw punches at that speed as per the calc.But in this case it would just be his current "At least MHS+" rating with a note about him freezing everyone else with his speed.
Yeah, one of the few useable onesThor and Hela
No one scales to the meteor's full speedThanos
Flight speedTony flying to Siberia
Flight speedHammers
MHS and flight speedCaptain Marvel
Wasn't talking about meteors, was just talking about Thanos easily overwhelming Thor and his lightning blasts.No one scales to the meteor's full speed
Still MHS feats. MHS+ is combat speed and reactions anyway, not travel speed (At least anyone who isn't Electro or Thor).Flight speed
Flight speed
MHS and flight speed
Wait when did that happen? I remember him being more or less blindsided by every bolt of lightning except for the one that was super telegraphed.was just talking about Thanos easily overwhelming Thor and his lightning blasts
Certainly. Just that MHS+ is for combat speed and is for scaling. If you were to chart it out the most consistent speeds would be superhuman to hypersonic.Still MHS feats.
Weren't you going to downgrade MCU to supersonic+ to Wanda reacting to an explosion?Wait when did that happen? I remember him being more or less blindsided by every bolt of lightning except for the one that was super telegraphed.
Certainly. Just that MHS+ is for combat speed and is for scaling. If you were to chart it out the most consistent speeds would be superhuman to hypersonic.
I believe, the Endgame fight? There's also Thanos reacting to Cap's lightning and trying to push against it in a wrestling-like fashion.Wait when did that happen? I remember him being more or less blindsided by every bolt of lightning except for the one that was super telegraphed.
Yeah. But then the CRT changed focus when other (non-flight speed) MHS stuff was found and the MHS+ Thor calc got backing from Electro scaling.Weren't you going to downgrade MCU to supersonic+ to Wanda reacting to an explosion?
I don't remember that.I believe, the Endgame fight?
Nah he got rolled manhanos reacting to Cap's lightning and trying to push against it in a wrestling-like fashion.
I think soCan the accepted changes be applied now?
He got rolled because it overpowered him LMAO, he did initially put his hands up but it didn't amount to much. You can successfully react to a high-speed attack and still get the shit knocked out of you if it's too powerful for you.
Right now this is what his rating looks like:Anyways like I said just link a feat of Quicksilver freezing the Avengers during the cap punch for the "At least/likely higher" rating
I can't agree there. Frame by frame it hits him with no reaction. The second hit he did throw up his hand though, but it was also a more telegraphed attack from a lightning bolt like 2000 meters above his current location.O, he did initially put his hands up but it didn't amount to much
It's at that part you linked where he reacts slightly, but it's too blurry and miniscule, I'd reckon it wouldn't wield jackshit.I can't agree there. Frame by frame it hits him with no reaction. The second hit he did throw up his hand though, but it was also a more telegraphed attack from a lightning bolt like 2000 meters above his current location.
If I had to rewrite it:At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Punched Captain America at these speeds (THE CALC). Perceived a bullet (ANOTHER CALC) and Mjölnir in slow motion (Eh, not sure about this, since Mjolnir wasn't going full power here). Far superior to the likes of Thor and Iron Man (Should be axed since Thor was the only person that was moving in his perception, Iron Man can prolly stay? IDK). Moved numerous people out of the path of a high speed train (CV link, needs immediate replacing). Caught a bullet and unloaded Klaue's gun, before he could react (DEAD LINK). Moved Wanda before Ultron could react (Not too sure about this, also gfycat link). Saved Hawkeye from Quinjet fire from a distance (YIKES, THIS FEAT?))
The rest are honestly unimportant fluff that was kept over from the ancient times of hypersonic MCUAt least Massively Hypersonic+ (Views the entire Avengers in slow motion. Punched Captain America at these speeds. Perceived a bullet in slow motion. Noted by Iron Man as getting progressively faster (idk we may not include this))
Looks good but one small issueIf I had to rewrite it:
The rest are honestly unimportant fluff that was kept over from the ancient times of hypersonic MCU
The punch? Or just the blitzing?Keep in mind Quicksilver's MHS+ feat is kinda based on the assumption that Captain America reacts and throws at peak human speeds though. Kinda circular reasoning but since calc stacking is not allowed he should scale significantly higher than Cap.
I think i am misunderstanding you here.As a note the MHS+ thing is entirely because of Spider-Man scaling. If you're talking like, consistency or something then people are more consistently super to hypersonic with some MHS high ends that's actually scaleable.
But in this case it would just be his current "At least MHS+" rating with a note about him freezing everyone else with his speed.
I'm saying that MHS+ is not a consistent speed in terms of number of feats, but it is the speed we went with in terms of scaling.Are you saying the street tier avengers are not MHS+?
Is there a comprehensive list of speed calcs / feats in the MCU?I'm saying that MHS+ is not a consistent speed in terms of number of feats, but it is the speed we went with in terms of scaling.