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I think the argument is that Thor was the only Avenger that was moving from QS’s perception, plus Thor was able to spot QS while he was running.
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Massively Hypersonic+ MCU Upgrade
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And quicksilver viewed everyone in slow motion
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No he viewed them as unmoving basically and Thor was still in motion under his vision with mjonir and combat with ultron(also like maverick said he did react to and throw his hammer and quicksilver)
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Quicksilver on the other hand views the avengers as not moving.
Gving him a far higher rating i think?
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What does this even mean
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Thor was still moving and he even reacts to Quicksilver. I don't think Pietro should get "far higher"
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Let me explain this better because my explanation is poor ash
Quicksilver is rated at least mach 1,312 for punching cap, being supposedly the rating given to viewing the avengers on slow motion.
From this upgrade, captain america will be mach 1,500+ in reaction and attack speeds.
Quicksilver viewed mach 1,500+ characters like cap and iron man as frozen.
The only one moving in his vision was thor, who definitely scales higher in speed then both cap and tony via this feat alone.
Giving quicksilver a “far higher" rating maybe?
Thors rating should also receive a “higher" rating for being the only avenger capable of reacting (kind of) to quicksilver.
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Idk. Other characters with similar feats on the wiki don't have a "higher" or "far higher" rating for it. I think just "At least Massively Hypersonic+" is better
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I dont know i said this because superman (dceu) has a far higher rating for a feat identical to quicksilvers feat
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That's because he blitzed everyone and kept up the flash who is FTL who can turn back time
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The flash is only FTL while breaking the rule. From what i know he wasn't going FTL in that scene
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Flash restricts himself from going that fast. Superman doesn't scale to FTL at all
But this is derailing
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"At least Massively Hypersonic+" is the safer option imo
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What qualifies as far higher tho?
Isnt “at least” rating given to characters clearly above a certain tier of speed or strength?
Quicksilver isnt just a lil faster then the avengers he deadass views them as frozen.
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True.
I'll just wait for more input on this
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The calc cannot use scaled speed for anything. So Quicksilver's speed must only be obtained from that scene.
As a note the MHS+ thing is entirely because of Spider-Man scaling. If you're talking like, consistency or something then people are more consistently super to hypersonic with some MHS high ends that's actually scaleable.
But in this case it would just be his current "At least MHS+" rating with a note about him freezing everyone else with his speed.
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Also I gather the Thor Sub Rel thing is a no?
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With Mjolnir come back to him, sure.
But scaling people to Mjolnir, no. With MHS+ reaction speed every single Mjolnir reaction feat more or less falls within their reaction speed range to my knowledge.
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Yeah not sure why his sole reasoning for being MHS+ is blitzing Cap, he should be MHS+ mostly because of that calc.
Also not sure what you mean by "scaled speed" here. I just calc'd QS's speed based on how slow he viewed Hawkeye's arrow and then I used the slow-mo formula.
ahem Thor and Hela and Thanos ahem Tony flying to Siberia from Raft ahem Hammers ahem Captain Marvel
But if you ask me, I am of the belief that it should only be relegated to Cap-tier opponents, the magicians, Stark/Rhodey armor sets, the Spider-Men and the god-tiers.
And QS being able to throw punches at that speed as per the calc.
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Yeah, one of the few useable ones
No one scales to the meteor's full speed
Flight speed
Flight speed
MHS and flight speed
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Wasn't talking about meteors, was just talking about Thanos easily overwhelming Thor and his lightning blasts.
Still MHS feats. MHS+ is combat speed and reactions anyway, not travel speed (At least anyone who isn't Electro or Thor).
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Wait when did that happen? I remember him being more or less blindsided by every bolt of lightning except for the one that was super telegraphed.
Certainly. Just that MHS+ is for combat speed and is for scaling. If you were to chart it out the most consistent speeds would be superhuman to hypersonic.
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Weren't you going to downgrade MCU to supersonic+ to Wanda reacting to an explosion?
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I believe, the Endgame fight? There's also Thanos reacting to Cap's lightning and trying to push against it in a wrestling-like fashion.
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Yeah. But then the CRT changed focus when other (non-flight speed) MHS stuff was found and the MHS+ Thor calc got backing from Electro scaling.
I don't remember that.
Nah he got rolled man
Anyways like I said just link a feat of Quicksilver freezing the Avengers during the cap punch for the "At least/likely higher" rating
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Can the accepted changes be applied now?
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I think so
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He got rolled because it overpowered him LMAO, he did initially put his hands up but it didn't amount to much. You can successfully react to a high-speed attack and still get the shit knocked out of you if it's too powerful for you.
Right now this is what his rating looks like:
At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Punched Captain America at these speeds (THE CALC). Perceived a bullet (ANOTHER CALC) and Mjölnir in slow motion (Eh, not sure about this, since Mjolnir wasn't going full power here). Far superior to the likes of Thor and Iron Man (Should be axed since Thor was the only person that was moving in his perception, Iron Man can prolly stay? IDK). Moved numerous people out of the path of a high speed train (CV link, needs immediate replacing). Caught a bullet and unloaded Klaue's gun, before he could react (DEAD LINK). Moved Wanda before Ultron could react (Not too sure about this, also gfycat link). Saved Hawkeye from Quinjet fire from a distance (YIKES, THIS FEAT?))
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I can't agree there. Frame by frame it hits him with no reaction. The second hit he did throw up his hand though, but it was also a more telegraphed attack from a lightning bolt like 2000 meters above his current location.
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It's at that part you linked where he reacts slightly, but it's too blurry and miniscule, I'd reckon it wouldn't wield jackshit.
Well, we still have Thanos curbstomping Thor back into the ground.
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If I had to rewrite it:
The rest are honestly unimportant fluff that was kept over from the ancient times of hypersonic MCU
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Looks good but one small issue
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Keep in mind Quicksilver's MHS+ feat is kinda based on the assumption that Captain America reacts and throws at peak human speeds though. Kinda circular reasoning but since calc stacking is not allowed he should scale significantly higher than Cap.
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The punch? Or just the blitzing?
Because the punch speed uses the following formula
Person's true speed: (Projectile's true speed/Projectile's apparent speed on screen) * Person's Apparent Speed on Screen
And Cap's speed has no sway on this. Nor would we use Cap's perception speed to get a value for Quicksilver anyway.
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I think i am misunderstanding you here.
Are you saying the street tier avengers are not MHS+?
Captain america was keeping up with spiderman. Therefore his attack speeds and reactions should be MHS+ if i am correct.
Quicksilver was literally viewing said attacks as frozen.
I am very confused on why this wouldnt warrant for a far higher rating
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Had a whole ass post responding to this in detail but my dumbass accidentally deleted it
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All what i want is quicksilver receiving a “far higher” rating because that is literally the meaning of far higher
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I'm saying that MHS+ is not a consistent speed in terms of number of feats, but it is the speed we went with in terms of scaling.
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Is there a comprehensive list of speed calcs / feats in the MCU?
Because I feel that in the majority of actual fighting scenes, these characters are not punching each other at over a thousand times the speed of sound. (Not that I feel strongly enough to try and disprove the current scaling)
Also on a slightly related note, this MHS calc that I saw someone reference earlier for support, seems completely baseless as to the timeframe. There is literally no reason given at all in the calc for Iron Man's flight time to have taken five minutes. And quite obviously the cinematic timing should not be used for the fact that it is cinematic timing.
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