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Massively Hypersonic combat speed Hela

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Thor scales to Hela.

Thanos scales to Thor.

Anyone who fought Thanos scales from him.

I don't see any problem

Spider-Man was in a special suit when he fought Thanos. Also he sneak attacked Thanos, with portals from Doctor Strange. Thanos managed to catch him once he got hold of him. I don't think Iron Spider is slower than Iron Man
 
Hela straight up stomped Thor in their fight, and even the electricity upgrade didn't do much for her, as such the scaling is questionable, especially as you yourself stated, Thor barely managed to tag her.

Thanos' feat had some PIS I reckon, even then it would probably be an outlier.

... do you really wanna make an argument for MHS+ Iron Spider? Especially when it scales to High 8-C Iron Man as well?
 
Thor did tag Hela a few times. Hela's feat is at Mach 438. I don't think Thor will be more than 4 times slower than her

Scaling goes like this:

Hela- Blocked Thor's lightning

Thor- Fought with Hela and managed to tag him

Thanos- Fought with Thor and dodged multiple blows of him. Dodged Mjolnir twice. Caught Stormbreaker. Slightly reacted to lightning

Iron Man, Mjolnir Cap, Captain Marvel, Doc Strange, Scarlet Witch- Fought with Thanos

Hulk should have a "likely" before his speed.
 
I doubt it, Thor was wayyy slower than Hela, him tagging her could be PIS Also, did you contact literally any staff member?
 
So you asked a single staff member, who didn't comment on the actual thread, mind you, and then went to Ant for upgrading half the verse.

Wow. Man I wish I could pull off this type of shit in comics revisions.

Get people from the Knowledgeable Members List to comment here. Otherwise this revision goes nowhere.
 
Thor successfully hit Hela 3 times- He sliced her face once (didn't do any effect), body slamed her with a lightning tendril, and grappled her.

Thanos was faster than Thor. He dodged his blows many times. Even caught Stormbreaker returning to Thor and dodged Mjolnir. Thor managed to summon Stormbreaker at MHS+ speeds from Tonsberg to New York in Endgame.

Also this isn't even MHS+ upgrade anymore. Just MHS. MHS starts from Mach 100. He gave the High Hypersonic rating based on a Mach 46.8 feat performed by Iron Man back in Iron Man 3. His armors got many, many upgrades since then. 8-Cs got High Hypersonic from Cap fighting IM and 9-Bs got HHS because of fighting 8-Cs. Thanos stomped every 9-B and 8-C.
 
Wow gee, do you know fodder Asgardians also barely tagged Hela the same way? MHS Asgardians? No it was because there needed to be a fight that exists.

Thanos wasn't faster than Iron Man and Spider-Man, so... also do you realize what I'm arguing right? I don't even buy MHS Thor let alone scaling Thanos to him. Also Mjolnir's travel speed wouldn't be scalable to Thor anyhow, as he already knew the position of the Hammer already. That's like saying I scale to a plane for waiting at an airport.

Also Thanos AP stomped everyone, he didn't speed blitz'em or anything lol

Sorry, Comics is MHS+, old habit.

Everyone is High Hypersonic, currently, I don't wanna break that consistent scaling, especially because more characters will in fact scale to MHS. What about Spider-Man reacting to Cul Obsidian in his base suit?

Anyways contact staff and ask them provide their input on this thread. Otherwise this won't be accepted
 
Cul Obsidian kept up with Iron Man, and was confident in his ability to keep up with Hulk too. He scales to them.

Tiers don't dictate speeds like that
 
Spider-Man catching Cull's hammer is a PIS. Cull's blows were harming IM, if Spider-Man catches it, it would make him 7-A.

About Hela. She fought multiple soldiers at the same time, like dozens of them. The ones who tagged her were usually behind her. It's like Neo vs Smith copies in The Matrix Reloaded. Hela is individually faster than them. And it should be noted that she was stronger while fighting Thor than she was while fighting the soldiers because her powers increased with every moment she was on Asgard.
 
They can have higher speed without having higher AP

I remember Spider Man having a Sub Rel feat that only got tossed out because it was an outlier, which it might not be if MHS is legit
 
I would like to say that Thanos movement speed matched captain marvel Blitz two times.
One in the farm when he was weakened and when she was taking the gauntlet to the van.

So, Thanos can scale to captain marvel.
 
@Zark

My apologies for messing up by originally not checking through the thread. As I mentioned elsewhere, you can reverse Revan's speed upgrades until this has been settled if you wish.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3715512
 
I'm pretty sure that Hela took on the Asgardian army like it was nothing. She didn't seem to have much trouble cutting through them. Doubly so for all the Valkyries she killed.

Also, the Ancient One seems to already be MHS+. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not certain, but shouldn't Strange scale in some capacity? Or would he not be considered on her sorta level?
 
I'm questioning the reliability of this feat. IF you look at literally most every other frame of Thor and Hela's fight, the lightning moves far faster than either of them.
 
Would this make the feat more reasonable then? Or perhaps it's better to get the Ancient One's feat calced and scale people reasonably from Strange instead?
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I'm questioning the reliability of this feat. IF you look at literally most every other frame of Thor and Hela's fight, the lightning moves far faster than either of them.
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Isn't this a reaction feat and not a travel feat?
 
Would somebody be willing to revert Revan's edits to the MCU character speed sections?
 
Lightbuster30 said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
I'm questioning the reliability of this feat. IF you look at literally most every other frame of Thor and Hela's fight, the lightning moves far faster than either of them.
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Isn't this a reaction feat and not a travel feat?
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She even materialize a "necroshield" to defend herself from the hit.

So yes, she react to the lighting.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I'm questioning the reliability of this feat. IF you look at literally most every other frame of Thor and Hela's fight, the lightning moves far faster than either of them.
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The calc is Massively Hypersonic, and lightning is Massively Hypersonic+, so they still slower than it, not by that much but still
 
I mean, you sure you wanna say that Thor has both MHS and MHS+ lightning bolts? The point is that the bolt isn't consistent in speed, and hence cannot be used
 
No, Hela blocking Lightning going by the calc is Massively Hypersonic only, for her speed, that's slower than real Lightning which is what Thor uses to attack
 
Zark2099 said:
I mean, you sure you wanna say that Thor has both MHS and MHS+ lightning bolts? The point is that the bolt isn't consistent in speed, and hence cannot be used
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So everyone in this wikia that's sale with ligthing should be downgrade.
 
That scales to inconsistently speeding lightning while the rest of the verse is 20 times slower, sure, they should be downgraded.
 
Zark2099 said:
That scales to inconsistently speeding lightning while the rest of the verse is 20 times slower, sure, they should be downgraded.
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Why they are ?

Stark have lasers attacks, captain marvel have photon's attacks and even Thanos can macht captain marvel speed with reaction...
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Iron Man's lasers aren't Light Speed tho
Marvel's Photons are likely an outlier
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But Stark emits particle beams from the repulsors and Thanos defend these beams and photons in real life are PIS too ?
 
Was asked to appear here, currently at work. What's the TL;DR so far and what is my opinion needed on?
 
Photons are SOL though.... oh my god please don't suggest an FTL MCU....

In all seriousness just calling it a Photon doesn't make it a photon. If you wanna go sciency, photons exhert highly negligible mass so no matter how much concentrated the beam is, it won't damage jack.
 
@Mr. Bambu

Revan wants to upgrade High 6-Bs in the verse to MHS based on Hela reacting to Thor's lightning. Matthew said it's an outlier
 
Okay. What are the next highest feats? Is there any evidence for/against Thor's lightning being legitimate?
 
If MHS is an outlier then FTL is certainly an outlier
 
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