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Massively Hypersonic combat speed Hela

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Mr. Bambu said:
Okay. What are the next highest feats? Is there any evidence for/against Thor's lightning being legitimate?
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I don't think anything in MCU contradicts that. Thor's lightning very much behaves like real lightning throughout movies
 
Next highest feats will be the High Hypersonic dodging feats by Spider-Man and Iron Man I reckon

For:

Thor is the god of lightning and thunder, this would only scale to Low 6-Bs and no one else, Low 6-Bs are wayy faster than the rest of the verse, Revan made a calc

Against:

Thor's lightning showed an inconsistent speed in the fight itself, are sourced by his hands instead of the sky unlike regular lightning, Hela is shown to be greatly superior to the rest of the cast, and the feat is replicated by no one in the verse except for a PIS scene involving Thanos.
 
their is only 1 High Hypersonic feat for Wanda, and this scales to characaters of her level. There are 2/3 MHS feats for Iron Spider, Thor and Captain Marvel. It is ridiculous to say that there are more High Hypersonic feats (literally 1 feat) than MHS feats, and more ridiculous to say the lower rating should scale to all characters.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Revan_Laha/MCU_Mjolnir_speed_compilatio

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:M3X/MCU:_Spiderman_dodge_Thanos'_meteor
 
Thor does match Hela in combat for quite awhile. It shouldn't purely scale to her.

At that, this is a Sub Rel feat by Spider Man, who's a bit faster and more agile
 
Captain Marvel can very well hit MHS flight speeds in the atmosphere


https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Revan_Laha/MCU:_Massively_Hypersonic_Captain_Larso


https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Revan_Laha/Brie_Larson_enters_the_upper_atmosphere

If Captain Marvel's reactions are absurdly low than her flight speeds, she would crash. She can very well dodge stuff while flying at MHS speeds. Thanos was able to catch her while flying and threw his sword at Luis' van faster than Captain Marvel could fly at it
 
Zark2099 said:
Thor's lightning showed an inconsistent speed in the fight itself, are sourced by his hands instead of the sky unlike regular lightning, Hela is shown to be greatly superior to the rest of the cast, and the feat is replicated by no one in the verse except for a PIS scene involving Thanos.
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Thanos react to particle beams from Stark.

Thanos do it two times against captain marvel blast and captain marvel blast coming from a orbital blitz when he are hurt.

And a third reacting to cruise speed captain and even with Mjolnir captain america.


Why Thanos feats are PIS ?
 
Spider-Man reaction meteors is Mach 177

Hela reacting to lightning is Mach 438.

Captain Marvel flying is Mach 97 to Mach 292
 
So I'm against Luck's interpretation of stuff but I think MHS is fine given all those values are fairly close together.
 
People missed my entire point wow.

My point is that if you take literally any other frame of the Thor vs Hela fight, they are NEVER faster than the lightning. They are significantly slower.
 
Lightning is Mach 1440, the calc is mach 440 or so

A 3x difference there
 
I don't, so what do you mean? Since this doesn't really seem like a minor detail at all.
 
Seriously though, I have no idea what Matt's "point" here is.

Pretty sure this is an outlier.
I'm questioning the reliability of this feat. IF you look at literally most every other frame of Thor and Hela's fight, the lightning moves far faster than either of them.
People missed my entire point wow. My point is that if you take literally any other frame of the Thor vs Hela fight, they are NEVER faster than the lightning. They are significantly slower.
What's the point if not explicitly that you believe Hela and Thor to be slower than the lightning, which the calc reflects (as pointed out by DMUA) with the lightning being almost 3x faster? How is that "pedantic"?

This is fine to apply. It isn't an outlier with the existence of two other feats in the low-hundreds of Mach speeds, and I'm fairly sure the above "point" has no meaningful effect on the calc.
 
I pixel scaled. Hela moved 85 px while the lightning moved more than 200 px. Which means she is still slower than lightning, like 2.5 times
 
So MHS upgrade for Low 6-B's, seems consistent with Thanos constantly blitzing High Hypersonic characters. If anything, the Low 6-B's have more MHS speed feats than High Hypersonic speeds. It feels weird to call them PIS or even outliers since they're just below Thor's lightning speed.
 
So should Revan's speed updates remain after all, and if so, should I lock the relevant pages again?
 
I'm curious on how MHS is considered inconsistent. As pointed above, how many High Hypersonic feats exist? I've seen a few calcs ending in MHS in the latest months, but if it's true that the only HH feat is from Wanda, how's that three or more feats are outliers in front of one single lower feat?

If anything, High Hypersonic is either the outlier or the supportive argument.

I don't know what feat is, but I guess it happened in one of the first movies Wanda was in, which chronologically happen years before Infinity War, let alone Endgame.
 
The Calaca said:
I'm curious on how MHS is considered inconsistent. As pointed above, how many High Hypersonic feats exist? I've seen a few calcs ending in MHS in the latest months, but if it's true that the only HH feat is from Wanda, how's that three or more feats are outliers in front of one single lower feat?
If anything, High Hypersonic is either the outlier or the supportive argument.

I don't know what feat is, but I guess it happened in one of the first movies Wanda was in, which chronologically happen years before Infinity War, let alone Endgame.
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Exactly, more feats on this level = more consistency since the MHS feats has been done more times than the HH feat everyone is scaling them of.
 
There are 2 HH feats- Mark 42 flying from Miami to Tennessee in 84 sec and Wanda blocking Crossbones' explosion
 
We already have the Ancient One as MHS for perceiving lightning as slow as well.
 
We have 3 MHS Captain Marvel flight speed feats, one MHS Spider-Man dodging meteors feats and one MHS Hela feat. Also the Ancient One feat. So we have 6 MHS feats
 
Well, I think that MHS seems fairly reliable then.
 
Revan Laha said:
We have 3 MHS Captain Marvel flight speed feats, one MHS Spider-Man dodging meteors feats and one MHS Hela feat. Also the Ancient One feat. So we have 6 MHS feats
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We have Thanos feats too.

He react to captain marvel blasts and blitz when he are hurt.

He react to Stark blast at point blank with the sword.

He react to Thor + Stark blasts with the sword.

He react to mjolnir throw by Thor two times at close range.

And to captain marvel cruise speed when he throw the sword in the van.

All this in only 10 minutes of endgame not including any IW feat.
 
So are there any pages that still need to be updated to MHS?
 
I'm skeptical on the first few watches, but the more I see the little movement her arms made in the time for the lightning to hit her forearm, the more I'm convinced.

Wonder why Thor didn't lightning whip Thanos into Mjolnir's flight path or something though. That would've helped a lot. Dude got nerfed to hel.

But.

Butt.

The way Thor's lightning went about made me think of a comparison to actual lightning.

PicsArt 11-13-12.43.40
Thorrr
 
Thanks. Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?
 
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