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Yeah no the Jack feat is perfectly fine. I really don’t understand why the downgrade exist. It’s perfectly fine with other feat in the verse so it wouldn’t really be a stretch to consider it vaild
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MASSIVE Tekken Downgrades
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So far just to do a count
For downgrade: @Continuum19
Against: @BlackDarkness679 , @NotoriouSoda , Myself.
For downgrade: @Continuum19
Against: @BlackDarkness679 , @NotoriouSoda , Myself.
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Are you talking about ALL of the downgrades?
Because I've already listed everyone who agrees and disagrees in my main thread.
I'll add you to the list.
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Well I guess we could let a member know about the vote since that is what will ultimately allow the changes
I don't really consider it an outlier either, but I think the recent calcs for 6-C should be used since a calc member also agrees with it. As for scaling, I think the God Tiers can definitely scale above it, Jack himself would only scale to it with his one attack since it was far above his normal attacks and even shattered his arms.
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There is no such thing like 6-C via whatever attack, he is scaling to the meteor KE at its best with the value being how dino meteor is rated as
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Didn’t a calc member check the feat and decided that he doesn’t scale to the KE. But needs more opinion from other CGMs.
DivineAura44
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Lowkey tryna find what Continuum did wrong.
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Holy ******* shit what did this thread devolve into?
Okay so let's get this out the way, Paul should not scale to 6-C 20 years ago
Like Continuum said nothing said proves for sure that he got weaker, the best you could prove is that he quit his Dojo
Backscaling like this will get us nowhere
In regards to the Meteor feat, if we don't decide it's an outlier and don't go with the 7-A scaling; I am all for downgrading it to 6-C.
From what I understand previous Jack models Jobb after every new game in the series and I believe I remember someone saying someone one-shot a Jack-6 model.
Anyone who scales above that character or dwarf Jack-6 models to the point they 1 shot them should get that rating
Okay so let's get this out the way, Paul should not scale to 6-C 20 years ago
Like Continuum said nothing said proves for sure that he got weaker, the best you could prove is that he quit his Dojo
Backscaling like this will get us nowhere
In regards to the Meteor feat, if we don't decide it's an outlier and don't go with the 7-A scaling; I am all for downgrading it to 6-C.
From what I understand previous Jack models Jobb after every new game in the series and I believe I remember someone saying someone one-shot a Jack-6 model.
Anyone who scales above that character or dwarf Jack-6 models to the point they 1 shot them should get that rating
RandomGuy2345
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Goofy ahh thread 
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So Heihachi and Akuma since we see them do that even after fighting each other at the start of Tekken 7. And those who scale to them will the get the 6-C rating.
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Yeah, basically anyone who can for sure 1-shot Jack-6 models
If they're comparable it's not enough because Jack had to basically kill himself to perform that feat
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Literally nothing indicates current Paul > prime Paul, and comparing their feats prime one has better showings compared to the one from nowadays, unless you wanna tell Kuma is above his prime when he never beat him ever while current he has a win over and a loss which left his rival unable to continue after
Its ridiculous how you side with that individual over his shit, when scaling says otherwise and the lore says the dojo ran out of business, along him ending on the streets, from where you het the idea he remains as strong as his prime, let slome when Feng is comparable to Young Heihachi, with former being fought by Paul
Im against 6-C, said for nth times now, leave that thing for the future, not gonna accept a rush thread to change the whole verse cuz you it cant be waited
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Ok, this thread has almost 400 posts and lasted almost 10 days, how does this still count as a rush thread?
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By the fact we apply a downgrade by using a lower tier without taking in consideration all else suggesting otherwise in pro for the one at hand thats how
All of this cuz you had to do that stupid downgrade thread and making the other individual run his bullshit later from your bullshit along others, i said for the longest time even in some vs threads, the verse will go revisions
All of this cuz you had to do that stupid downgrade thread and making the other individual run his bullshit later from your bullshit along others, i said for the longest time even in some vs threads, the verse will go revisions
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Its amazing how we are quick to let a downgrade go on when it misses other things out, yet you dare ask that question, you aint any better then this guy either
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There are 5 people in this thread (not including you) that aren't in agreement with this thread and there've been discussions with all of them which is why the downgrade hasn't gone through, how can you say that we're not taking any consideration if those arguments have been acknowledged and debated instead of being swept aside?
If you want to do your own revision, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that there was a calc group member who assessed that the original calc for 6-B is incorrect, even though most are in disagreement with speed and lifting strength and that topic can be dropped, AP/Striking Strength/Durability all can be affected by this calc which is why this thread has every right being up. Also, my guy, shifting the blame on me every time doesn't do anything to support your argument. I am not Continuum, his actions aren't a result of my previous thread when all I brought up in my thread was AP and nothing else. Hell, I even conceded to the multiple strikes argument which was the main point of my thread.
Yeah sure, buddy.
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The beef is real
DivineAura44
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Need to take my instigating classes fr.
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ONE BEEF!!! THE ONE BEEF IS REAL!!!
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Im talking of stuff to suggest more then 6-C at best, not the sides for pro and con
And i pointed previously comments ago to have the dino meteor value vs wiki has for it used in its place over the old calc, even though thats also rushed as well, you people really cant ******* leave the rating for the time being as it is till it changes or has all shit with it presented in the future at all
i seen threads that let off these things till a better revision goes over them, whats with this mindset of changing a rating that affects most of the verse from a calc made recently that has not even been accepted, let alone doesnt even consider things on the character power level suggesting more then simply 6-C, along comparable characters with feats likely above just 6-C
Im not doing it for supporting anything, i speak of them cuz you are at faulr with the last thread
You must be as blind as him, he literally used your comments as arguments in here, let alone of othee people in previous one and your thread had him make very soon after another half assed like you did, yet you wanna claim you aint at fault here
Which this individual still used as counters against it, you still brought up bs that someone else pushed with them to desperately downgrade
Dont yeah sure, you arent any better either in the slightest, typical reddit/discord debater, both at debating and personality, awful individuals
Dead, non-funny and stupid meme, shut up
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In regards to the calculations, for one, you need to use the 6 miles diameter for the volume of the meteor, so the 6-B calc is inherently wrong for using the 28 miles for that. Assuming it's a sphere is probably a safe assumption based on the shape of the meteor. As for whether to use frag or violent frag, that would most definitely be frag and not violent frag, however it appears he does hault the movement of the meteor for a second after his last attack. Now the explosion afterwards sends the debris of the meteor falling back down to Earth again, so I'm not entirely against using KE.
Meteor Diameter = 6 Miles
Meteor Radius = 3 Miles = 4828.03 Meters
Volume of Meteor (Sphere) = 471409673000 Meters^3 = 4.71409673e+17 Cm^3
Fragementation of Rock is 8 Joules/CC
Fragmentation = (4.71409673e+17)*(8) = 901.36 Megatons (Mountain level+)
Speed of Atmospheric re-entry is 11,000 m/s
KE = (0.5)(471409673000)(11000^2) = 6.8 Gigatons (Island level)
You can make him "At least Mountain level+, likely/possibly Island level (At least 901.36, possibly 6.8 Gigatons)" as a compromise if you desire
Meteor Diameter = 6 Miles
Meteor Radius = 3 Miles = 4828.03 Meters
Volume of Meteor (Sphere) = 471409673000 Meters^3 = 4.71409673e+17 Cm^3
Fragementation of Rock is 8 Joules/CC
Fragmentation = (4.71409673e+17)*(8) = 901.36 Megatons (Mountain level+)
Speed of Atmospheric re-entry is 11,000 m/s
KE = (0.5)(471409673000)(11000^2) = 6.8 Gigatons (Island level)
You can make him "At least Mountain level+, likely/possibly Island level (At least 901.36, possibly 6.8 Gigatons)" as a compromise if you desire
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@Stefano4444
I haven't followed the discussion here. What is going on exactly?
Also, what do we currently need to do here, @SamanPatou and @Hellbeast ?
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I kinda stopped following when people started bickering on scaling and decided to come back once the main issue, i.e. the calc, was reaching a turning point, which is now.
I can say we all agree that this thread has gone long enough and it absolutely derailed.
Scaling will be discussed in the future and in its own thread, hopefully with more calc and info.
Now just focus on ending the debate on the calc, as Mitch contributed greatly and I'm very thankful to him for that.
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Okay. Thank you to both you and Mitch for helping out then. 
So do we need any further staff help here regarding the bickering and derailing, or did it not go far enough for any warnings to be issued?
So do we need any further staff help here regarding the bickering and derailing, or did it not go far enough for any warnings to be issued?
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I already agreed with SamanPatou in an earlier comment to end this thread and leave the rest for the future once more calc group members evaluated Jack-6's new meteor feat calc.
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Are you sure it's fragmentation and not violent fragmentation?
SirAlex09
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Makes me wonder: How did this calc pass to begin with ?
Didn't the staff member who agreed to the CRt that applied this bother to double check ?
Makes me also wonder about all the other stuffs that were blindly accepted without proper quality check on Tekken here.
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@DemonGodMitchAubin
Would you be willing to write down your calculations in a wiki blog and get it evaluated please?
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Yeah sure
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I disagree about using Frag
The aftermath shows the meteor being explosively fragmented as well as the fragments being around the size of Jack himself, which when compared with a meteor of that size would be akin to dust.
Fragmentation would mean large chunks would still be left over and we simply do not see that in the aftermath
I'm firm in my stance that if we do accept this we should use the 6-C end
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I already updated the calc man
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Someone should start a tally of who agrees with the 6-C downgrades
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Ah ok, that’s what you meant.
Well we did just had CGM evaluate the calc. If it’s done now, I don’t see why it’s an issue.
Then those feats need to be calced if you believe that they would yield beyond 6-C results. Otherwise it’s just assumption that they would yield that much. The issue is that the old calc is flawed and it’s redone since majority of the verse scales off of that, making it the most reasonable solution. So unless the other possible 6-C or beyond 6-C feats gets calced, it’s literally an opinion if you think they all yield around or higher than 6-C
The same thread where I conceded my original argument? How am I at fault again?
So you’re saying it’s my fault that another person is using the same argument as my old thread as well as the arguments of other people (that aren’t me) that were in my thread.
I seriously want you to think about that for one second. That’s the equivalent of me blaming SethTheProgrammer simply because some dude on the wiki used his arguments from his video.
I didn’t bring up the multiple strikes argument in this thread even once. That was the main argument of my previous thread, not here, where’s the desperation?
Personality? Really? Sure Buddy keep believing whatever you want and keep thinking that belittling others is a justifiable action for you.
Wasn’t even responding to you, was having fun with my mate Deceived.
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Downgrades seem fine, if not more accurate feeling given everything else displayed in the verse.
Surprised this thread went like it did, but it should probably serve as a forewarning for the eventual scaling thread.
Saving any thoughts regarding, for when that thread eventually pops up.
Surprised this thread went like it did, but it should probably serve as a forewarning for the eventual scaling thread.
Saving any thoughts regarding, for when that thread eventually pops up.
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I'm on it.
I went through the entire thread and this is what I found.
Tekken 6-C downgrade
Agree: 7 (Armorchompy, LIFE OF_KING, RanaProGamer, Shmeatywerbenmanjenson, Hellbeast, JohnConquest1, DaReaperMan)
Disagree: 1 (BlackDarkness79)
Unless I missed someone BlackDarkness is the only person in this thread who disagrees with 6-C Tekken downgrades seperate from everything else.
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Hellbeast
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Hey what about me, I agree
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