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Shouldn't Saitama upscale from Class E of ENO?
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Massive OPM Upgrades
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Is there any reason aside from "Well, I can't imagine Saitama not lifting Evil Ocean Water"?
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Saitama already scales to things he doesn't have a scaling to. I don't see why this should an expection
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Well then let's remove those other bits of scaling instead.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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If you want another reasoning, there are multiple statements from ONE which implies that Saitama is the strongest in his verse. For instance this one:
"Generally speaking those types of stories are all about growth, meaning that by the last chapter the main character has grown stronger than anyone else and lives happily ever after. So I wondered what would happen if I started the story off with the main character already in peak condition."
"Generally speaking those types of stories are all about growth, meaning that by the last chapter the main character has grown stronger than anyone else and lives happily ever after. So I wondered what would happen if I started the story off with the main character already in peak condition."
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Not scaling Saitama above everyone is ingnoring the intention of the series.
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I support an evidence-based approach way, way more than a narrative / intention-based approach. At best Saitama gets a "possibly" considering the lack of feats and the nature of how EOW is getting its rating in the first place.
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There's no indication he can lift ENO at the moment. You just have to weight for the baseflip and use that for his rating.
Garou, Resonance MB, SC and ENW scaling to High 6-B is fine.
For the High 6-A that more feels like water manipulation more so than anything.
I don't see why the Ninja Pair would downscale to High 7-A+. They were still capable of harming Flahsy, he just didn't use his true speed against them but that doesn't negate durability.
Being splattered into pieces is not a feat for durability.
They don't
They aren't. Stop trying to push for this. Not only is it inconsistent, the feats themselves completely break the speed scaling
AG doesn't react at FTL speeds. He dodges before hand, its precog dodging. "But how did Orochi hit him?" because Orochi's horns can change directions and since they're much faster than AC he cannot dodge it a second time. The reason why he could avoid Genos' attacks was because they were all linear and couldn't change directions, Orochi's horns do not have that issue.
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We don't scale LS to a striking strength feat for the same reason why don't find speed from AP.
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Only when they attacked him at the same time. When they attacked individually, they could only knock him back and that didn’t even work sometimes.
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True, but again we still treat giving someone scratch damage as scaling in some capacity like with MCU Iron Man's 6-C key.
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Tony heavily downscales from Thanos though, and he didn’t just scratch him, he was staggering him with a combo of blows.
And that’s Tony by himself, Hellfire and Gale had to work together just to get Flash to spit up some blood. I think them downscaling to High 7-A+ is fitting, especially since it’d only put them at a little bit above 1/2 of Flash’s AP.
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Something they did to Flashy individually though. Or something Hellfire did at least.
Tony after a prolonged fight with other like Strange.
But I guess if we scale MCU Hulk to High 7-A+, then then being High 7-A+ isn't that wild.
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Yeah, but then there’s also the time where Flash wasn’t even moved by one of Hellfire’s combos.
Yeah I was gonna bring that up too. Hulk’s performance against Thanos is pretty similar to the ninja fight now that I think about it. Hulk/Hellfire+Gale could knock around Thanos/Flash, but as soon as Thanos/Flash started trying for real, they ended the fight easily.
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Oh yeah. That's fine to apply imo.
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I'd like to discuss SG and Metal Bat scaling to Garou. Imo MB scales to Garou and SC scales to MB, so all of them are FTL.
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Your evidence for this is "In my opinion"?
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If they aren't minor changes, it would need to be a CRT.
If you mean your images you can do so whenever
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They shOuldN't i don't know why is no one mentioning this but SC couldn't catch an helicopter without using his tentacles but even with tentacles the people inside of that plane can seemingly react to it
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Tbf, Iron Man has another 6-C feat to scale to, which is why he's not At most 6-C, whereas the Ninja Bros don't have such a thing.
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Either way, EC wouldn’t scale since Bang never fought EC with Awakening Breath.
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So most people disagree with speed upgrades while most people agree with most AP upgrades. But it seems there are still disagreements and unclear parts.
Will High 6-B ratings be solid or possibly/likely? Damage mentioned that MX3 has problems with the calc and NikHelton seems to agree with "likely" rating.
Will Metal Bat and Garou fully scale to High 6-B value or half of it?
What will the durability of ENW and ENO be? Will both be unknown? Tbh I still don't think we should completely ignore that Garou couldn't one-shot ENW.
Will EC, Bang, and Genos scale to 6-C? Pretty much everyone besides Lord Tracer and me agrees to this.
Nobody seems to have problems with 5-C scaling. I am still iffy towards 4.3 value though.
Will High 6-B ratings be solid or possibly/likely? Damage mentioned that MX3 has problems with the calc and NikHelton seems to agree with "likely" rating.
Will Metal Bat and Garou fully scale to High 6-B value or half of it?
What will the durability of ENW and ENO be? Will both be unknown? Tbh I still don't think we should completely ignore that Garou couldn't one-shot ENW.
Will EC, Bang, and Genos scale to 6-C? Pretty much everyone besides Lord Tracer and me agrees to this.
Nobody seems to have problems with 5-C scaling. I am still iffy towards 4.3 value though.
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Meh, he will get his Class Z/Y during Serious Table Flip anyway
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Is this against rules? Both you and Damage mentioned this.
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It's just really difficult to discuss all these ratings at the same time, personally I would have preferred if a CRT had been made for the High 6-B calc first, the scaling and the creation of Sage Centipede's profile and EOW's new key.
The speed discussion can wait for later.
The speed discussion can wait for later.
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Agreed.
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It will be unknown. Since it is made of water. It would take High 6-A AP to destroy it completely, but anyone can technically do damage to it.
Really? Who agrees? Bang scaling is ridiculous. He got incapacitated by a tap from Garou who evolved even further after fighting him. Not sure how the hell Genos or EC scales either.
Full. There's no need to split it since they both proved they could do damage to Sage. Garou especially, considering he doesn't even need Metal Bat to be there.
There is currently two approvals of the calc vs one with an issue.
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Sure, chill.
Garou says that he's not going to keep down for MB, and when they proceed to destroy EC, they do it at full strength (Garou even uses Awakening Breath) and they end at the same point after the attack.
Later on, SC is able to move all the way up so that MB doesn't hit him in the face. Then SC can punch MB before he can even swing his bat again.
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Bang got knocked out after a long fight between the two.
EC scales to Awakening Breath Bang and Post Superfight Genos scales to EC with one specific attack.
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Wait, what? They never fought. (Ignore me if my comment derails from the OP)
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But Bang thought he needed to use Awakening Breath to face EC. He talked about putting his life on line or something like that iirc.
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Bang felt that he needed to go Awakening Breath in order to beat Post Molt EC
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The G4 thing should be something sincerely, the bending argument can be countered by him controlling him and in the databook it is mentioned that they follow the opponent, that is, they are not bending without reason, the reason is the user doing it, besides hence he is called light and has made refraction.
Another thing, the calculation of Genos 0.29c is completely wrong, it was done years ago.
Another thing, the calculation of Genos 0.29c is completely wrong, it was done years ago.
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What kind of results would the feat give? If it is something lower, it would probably remove scaling issues
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