MASSIVE Gravity Falls Upgrade

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

I made a sandbox of Bill's stuff here

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Disagree with him being physically 2-A. The rift being 2-A seems relatively straightforward though, unless I'm missing something.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Disagree with him being physically 2-A. The rift being 2-A seems relatively straightforward though, unless I'm missing something.

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[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Could we agree to a compromise of "Possibly 2A" Or no?

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

I'm willing to continue debating if you aren't no problem

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

I don't think Bill being 2-A physically makes sense, but Bill being 2-A with the dimensional rift and having 2-A durability makes sense too me.

Long story short, I agree with the 2A rift and having possibly 2A durability

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

No to durability scaling to AP?

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

He doesn't have a human body so I guess you could say that

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

fixed that. What tier should we give Bill physically? 4-C?

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Why that low?

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

I mean im fine with it but do you think a "possibly 2A (scaling off durability)" is acceptable?

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Disagree with him being physically 2-A. The rift being 2-A seems relatively straightforward though, unless I'm missing something.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

We should scale his physical durability to physical strength. What you can withstand you can exert (your muscles)

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

And his entire body would tank the attack so it should be fine but he isn't a human so I think we should use a term that means less likely than possibly if thats possible

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Is it even certain he would tank the destruction instead of regenerating from it?

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

The stone army have Low 2-C durability, but their AP is 8-B. That is what we call a stone wall. Bill is a possible stone wall in this case

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Isnt that only when the durability is specifically shown higher? We assume characters are like they would be in reality until proven otherwise for this too? (Not trying to be rude just asking cause i have never heard of a stone wall)

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

We should scale his physical durability to physical strength. What you can withstand you can exert (your muscles)

We don't allow scaling via purely your durability from what was revealed in an old thread

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

And probably not we concluded that we don't know enough about his regeneration to say he csn regenerate without space time or that his 2D form can survive it.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

We don't? But muscles can exert what they can take so we should assume it i be the same right? (Again not trying to sound rude just asking questions)

 

[Daddybrawl]

Just cause I got survived getting shot with a bullet doesn’t mean every punch I throw goes 1800 mph.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Just cause I got survived getting shot with a bullet doesn’t mean every punch I throw goes 1800 mph.

Exaclty. I tanked a BB-Gun bullet in the shoulder doesn't mean I'm 375 miles per hour and the AP level of that gun

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Not what I mean. What you can take you can exert as in pounds. I can send you some studies.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Like if i can lift a 50 pound weight i can take a 50 pound weight being dropped on my arm that's a bad analogy cause gravity but thats what I mean.

Every action has a opposite reaction or something i think

 

[Daddybrawl]

Yes, you can take what you exert. We already scale Dura to AP- punching a wall means you survived the necessary force to punch that wall, after all. However, you can’t always exert what you can take. That’s especially followed in Fiction.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

If proven otherwise yes. We follow the laws of reality unless contradicted right? (Not trying to sound rude just asking)

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Bill was shown to have muscles but its unlikely the guy controls time and space which is why I think "possibly" is a bit generous for 2A Ap

 

[Daddybrawl]

Somewhat. Case-by-case basis. Either way, you can’t scale people’s AP to their Dura unless they’ve displayed the ability to harm people who harm them, or harm themselves.
For example, If a character tanked a universal explosion, but never displayed the ability to perform said feats of destruction (or powerscale to said destruction, for that matter), that would mean their Durability is higher than AP. Just because a Turtle can survive a sledgehammer doesn’t mean it strikes with the force of a sledgehammer, after all.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Now that I think about it Bills dura scaling higher than AP makes sense.

When he was in dippers body he was hurting himself and was like wow this is so funny so yeah I guess

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

So we agree on 4C AP 2A Dura?

 

[Daddybrawl]

We should wait for proper arguments. It’d be wise to have patience for such a large and controversial upgrade.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Seems fine to me.

 

[InfiniteDay]

I don't disagree here, but we need more mod input. Also none of these arguments directly assume 2-A, but I support it regardless.

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

1 staff member agreed already we just need 1 or 2 more

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Bump?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

1 staff member agreed already we just need 1 or 2 more

Who was the one that agreed?

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

LordGriffin

 

[Planck69]

Disagree with 2-A physicals but I'm OK with 2-A via rift.

Why is his durability 2-A???

 

[Meliodas_On_Point_Yessir]

Because he was unphased by his rift. And Bill obviously wasn't going to kill hinself he wanted a "party that never ends and a host that never dies"

 

[Planck69]

He has Low-Godly. He'd survive it even if his durability was 10-C.