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It can't since those calcs from that site use funny sub-atomic destruction shit. The only calcs we need are Innocent Zero stopping the moon (already calculated), and Mash pushing the continent.
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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread
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Would the continent pushing part of those calcs be usable, at least? I mean, after handling the spacing and what not
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I mean, maybe. It's squished, so as you've said, it would need to be spaced out. It's also missing shearing stuff as well, so that would need to be thrown in.
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Creator God argument is kind of weak. I think it's better to downscale him from destroying the world statement.
Currently EE is considered as AP so can you get the AP for Adam. How much value it will yield for erasing the earth?
I heard you that's why I'm talking about downscaling..
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Adam spells clearly has EE property and IZ spells lacks that.
I thought about Thirds IZ used may be Adam's but it may not be the case
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Nah all darkness spells used by IZ are Adams
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It is? Well, anytime we see Darkness strike something it leaves behind only steam, but that's Innocent Zero's Version of it. I guess Adam's dark magic just sort of erases anything it touches.
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I think what's meant here is that Innocent Zero's stolen magic might have different properties.
Edit: nvm I can't read today
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Heres the fanbooks description of Adams dark magic
史上最高のヒーローが固有したのは、意外にも闇魔法である。 闇の神の加護を受け放つ漆黒の力は、 あらゆる物質を影で覆いつくし、 一瞬のうちに飲み込んでしまう。アダムはこの最強魔法を自在に操り、わずかな時間で世界中の戦いを終結へと導いたのである。
The greatest hero in history surprisingly possessed dark magic. Blessed by the god of darkness, he wielded a pitch-black power that could envelop any substance (the kanji 物質 could translate to matter or substance) in shadow and consume it in an instant. Adam skillfully controlled this ultimate magic, leading to the end of battles worldwide in a very short time.
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Yeah definitely IZ Dark magic works differently.
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It is currently accepted that Dark/Darkness is Void hax for returning things to the void.
They are not exactly the same, I already explained the kanji thing. They are different names despite being similar.
IZ uses "Darkness", Adam uses "Dark".
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There was another statement
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That's literally EE though.
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So, what's this. EE? Void manipulation?
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Returns all to the void
send anything it touches to the void
That's basically the definition of Void hax.
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The returns all to the void statement is A mistranslation
アダム・ジョブズの魔法は全てを無に還す
The magic of Adam Jobs erases everything.
You can look at the kanji and the word for void is not there at all.
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You mean this one?
世界を終わらせることすら容易な闇をアダムは平和のために使った。
Adam used even the darkness that could easily end the world for the sake of peace.
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Yeah, that's the one. The only peculiar part about it is if it's talking about his base and/or summons, or Lucifer Inclination.
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I would assume base since everytime we see Adam fighting in that time period he's only in base
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There are these two below.
無 (mu) - nothingness, none, ain't, nothing, nil, noth
還す (kaesu) - to send (someone) back; to send (someone) home
GPT 4o also translates the way it is in the manga.
EldemadeDityjon
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Contextually it's EE not Void manipulation.
Void manipulation is you need feat for manipulating nothingness/Void. Adam isn't manipulating void here.
Yeah this statement
We can either scale his base to that or just downscale from summon. I know he was fighting in his base but there will arise arguments that it might be referring to his full power (means his summons included)
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So then that leaves the question, how powerful would erasing a planet be with EE
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Good thing innocent Zero almost did it on panel So we Can just calc his thirds
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IZ feat may be just High 6-A but I will comment on it once I re read that part.
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It is not.
In both moments it is said that it does not erase other things, but rather that it consumes them/returns them to nothing.
One of the possible uses for Void hax on the page is literally this:
Which is what Adam does, turns things into nothing, turns them back into emptiness.
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Oh brother can you check the link where it leads? You literally copy pasted the line without even knowing where it was linked.
Void Manipulation
Void Manipulation, also known as Nothingness Manipulation is the ability to control and manipulate a void: nothingness or non-existence. Empty space and black holes are not examples of a void as they possess energy and exist in the conventional sense. Manipulating either is Spatial Manipulation...
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Because it's similar but the method is different. You have things like matter hax, transformation and body control in biological manipulation, but you don't automatically gain these abilities if, for example, you change the entire biology of a being, because you are using biological manipulation for that.Oh brother can you check the link where it leads? You literally copy pasted the line without even knowing where it was linked.
Void Manipulation
Void Manipulation, also known as Nothingness Manipulation is the ability to control and manipulate a void: nothingness or non-existence. Empty space and black holes are not examples of a void as they possess energy and exist in the conventional sense. Manipulating either is Spatial Manipulation...
Adam isn't directly deleting things, he's sending things into nothingness. It's similar but the mechanics are different.
Furthermore, I sent the two scans to DDM, and he also thought it would be Void hax without more context (in fact it wouldn't be anymore, because these two scans are what explain Adam's magic, I just checked)
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False Analogy.
Return to Void ≠ Sending things to the void.
He will change his take if he sees the context and also your link is not working
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The second quote is him literally saying that everything the magic touches sends him into the void.
For Adam there is no longer any context.
There are only two moments of explanation of his magic, which is what I sent.
The first being returning things to the void and the second sending everything that touches the void.
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You are ignoring the context which refers to sending/returning to the void means erasing it.
Same as above. Context is clear you are just ignoring it.
Return = Sending back.
Everything is born from nothingness and returning things to Void /nothingness means erasing their existence. It's a typical trope used by authors in most of the series. You haven't shown a single scan for Adam manipulating Void. All you have shown so far is talking about EE.
Even this clearly talks about sending back.
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But, how would you calculate that. It never made contact with any land, just an apparently deep as hell ocean. Wouldn't it just be better to just find the, I don't know, atomization value of a planet like earth?
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Also when Adams dark magic touches wahlbergs cloths it Burns away and just disintegrates rather than just vanish or something which supports it being erasure imo
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Well its momentum got completely halted by everyone's magic, so you could argue it didn't do anything due to the lack of speed it had before it was stoped
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Maybe, but it appeared to pick that momentum back up considering it was making shockwaves with its speeds.
Anyways, since this is based on Adam Job's magic, wouldn't we have to take into consideration the scaling? Adam is close to the God tiers but he isn't one, and God tiers transcend any other magic. Wouldn't this mean base God Zero would be above whatever value Adam has from all this?
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It picked back some momentum but I'd argue it's not nearly as much as the initial momentum but we can agree to disagree. Also yes God zero should scale above whatever Adam can produce
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So then we have to find out what Adam can produce..... Which would be the atomization of the earth? Or whatever value that EE gives.
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Probably vaporization or atomization
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Well Bambu made this calculation of vaporizing Earth back in 2019
General Calc: Vaporizing Earth
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Neat so baseline planet level Adam, we already have doom at moon level and we are probably gonna scale Adam above him I assume so I guess this is fine (even if doom vs adam is debatable)Well Bambu made this calculation of vaporizing Earth back in 2019
General Calc: Vaporizing Earth
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I do think it's best to only scale Summons Adam to this. If base Adam were 5-B, Wahlberg would be as well, since he could overpower a pure blast of magic without using Spaces.
