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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread

Why would Adam be God IZ level?

Just because they have the same type of magic, doesn't mean their spells will have the same power. Adam's thirds may just be a huge ball, but without the magic needed to destroy the planet.

We don't even know if they have the same invocation and the same thrids, despite the same base magic.

Adam demonstrated dark magic spells that IZ did not, and his invocations are quite different visually.

IZ's dark magic is highly amplified with his god form + the wand of beginnings. Like those huge orbs of darkness he got after the wand of beginnings.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why would Adam be God IZ level?

Just because they have the same type of magic, doesn't mean their spells will have the same power. Adam's thirds may just be a huge ball, but without the magic needed to destroy the planet.

We don't even know if they have the same invocation and the same thrids, despite the same base magic.

Adam demonstrated dark magic spells that IZ did not, and his invocations are quite different visually.

IZ's dark magic is highly amplified with his god form + the wand of beginnings. Like those huge orbs of darkness he got after the wand of beginnings.
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It's not because of the same magic type, it's because of Adam sharing the title of "God" or something like that, like the God of Demand. That's why I brought up that possibility. Of course, it's likely that he's not on their level.
 
DAblue9k said:
nah he's not on their level, at best he's relative to a very low degree. it would apply to god not adam probably
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Alright so base Adam is 5-C [78.6 Exatons] (due to his controlled body facing against Summons Wahlberg, his title of "Creator God", and being compared to the God of Demand, so he scales above Doom), low 5-B with his summons [786 Exatons] (natural 10x muliplier), and far higher with his Thirds [7.86 Zettatons] (if he has one of course, and if it's still Lucifer Inclination's planet bomb)? Right?
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Alright so base Adam is 5-C [78.6 Exatons] (due to his controlled body facing against Summons Wahlberg, his title of "Creator God", and being compared to the God of Demand, so he scales above Doom), low 5-B with his summons [786 Exatons] (natural 10x muliplier), and far higher with his Thirds [7.86 Zettatons] (if he has one of course, and if it's still Lucifer Inclination's planet bomb)? Right?
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So, how bout it? Would really like further input so that I can start helping with the Adam profile.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
You have the thread link where Multipliers were accepted? Ant is asking
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Mashle - Massive thread for a verse that nobody cares

AP revision for profiles that doesn't even exist "But why?" The main reason of this thread it's because if everything here got accepted I will put everything in this blog. Originally I wasn't even going to create a thread There are so many things that it's much better to simply revise the...
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AnAverageUsername said:
Perhaps. Dot already gives us the calculation needed for that, so it should be easy.
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Yeah we have solid reaction speed statement. Rentaus and Agito were capable of keeping up with base Domina

Rail Gun speed < Holding Back Mash speed < Base Domina speed ~ Agito and Rentaus ~ other visionary & Domina's brothers base speed.

We can get good upgrade for others. Currently we only have solid speed scaling for Doom and Mash, IZ (Walhberg and Meliadoul scaling to Mash and IZ somewhat) few others who can keep up with doom.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
It won't be a problem so you can work on freely. We already have verse page.
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This is in case anyone wants to look at the crt in the future for some reason.

She goes there, enters the crt, and when it comes to seeing the sandbox, it’s something totally different? Only one way for the content presented in the crt to stay.

It's also good to show what skills were accepted at the time.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Perhaps. Dot already gives us the calculation needed for that, so it should be easy.

edit: Though, Mash goes on to state that he was studying the windup, so it may not be useable.
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The problem with the wind up thing is that he clearly still scales to the speed In that scene anyway, I would've understand if mashle threw his batt before the railgun was fired, but not only does the railgun fire, the ball gets in close range and mash can still react and move before the ball hits him, so it's still a valid speed feat
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I was wondering if we can calculate domina water attack speed. It's clear that it blizted Mash
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Which one? And I don't it would mean much if it's base Mash, since all we could mark his reactions at are baseline subsonic or subsonic+, or else it's calc stacking.

Oh yeah we also need someone to calculate all the God tier stuff.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Which one? And I don't it would mean much if it's base Mash, since all we could mark his reactions at are baseline subsonic or subsonic+, or else it's calc stacking.

Oh yeah we also need someone to calculate all the God tier stuff.
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Nah Base Domain speed > Base Mash post fighting rail gun. So we can use 0.003 reaction speed
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Take it up with the people that classified it as Calc stacking, it's just seen that way despite being stated.
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May I see the thread where it was stated as Calculation stacking? Last time I checked Calc stacking means stacking speed because of other calculation nothing related to using perception speed which is directly stated in the manga.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
May I see the thread where it was stated as Calculation stacking? Last time I checked Calc stacking means stacking speed because of other calculation nothing related to using perception speed which is directly stated in the manga.
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Mash Calculation Stacking

I just came across this calc which uses the same timeframe as this calc which, to me, seems like blatant Calc Stacking. Here's the justification given for the timeframe: Canonically a Secondth of Lévis is stated to move 7 times the speed of sound. After that, Mash casually reacts and calculate...
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AnAverageUsername said:
vsbattles.com

Mash Calculation Stacking

I just came across this calc which uses the same timeframe as this calc which, to me, seems like blatant Calc Stacking. Here's the justification given for the timeframe: Canonically a Secondth of Lévis is stated to move 7 times the speed of sound. After that, Mash casually reacts and calculate...
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Gonna take some time but I'll check it out later.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
We do get background globes that show more than a singular continent, but all the maps we get only show the main continent.

Are you planning to do something regarding this? Or is it just curiosity?
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Was just curious. I checked the map in the databook and the translation says world map so maybe it is one big continent. Hard to say though.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
We do get background globes that show more than a singular continent, but all the maps we get only show the main continent.

Are you planning to do something regarding this? Or is it just curiosity?
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Was wondering, what level is Delisaster for his magic on page? He didn't get updated with the new page and still has his magic stuff listed and I wanted to remove it.
 
Arkenis said:
Was wondering, what level is Delisaster for his magic on page? He didn't get updated with the new page and still has his magic stuff listed and I wanted to remove it.
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Well he's shown to be quite lazy, being notably less skilled than Rayne is and just relying on brute power. But considering he still has the proficiency to cast a Summons, he should still be at an advanced level.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
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EldemadeDityjon/Sandbox7

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@AnAverageUsername can you help me with Adam profile?

Here is my plan we don't know how strong he was compared to others but we do have statement for his magic had power to destroy the world.
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I mean, his title as "creator god" would pretty much put him above most character's as has been discussed here. Also said here, was that he has some sort of statement comparing him to the GoD? It's a bit hard to think about when the fanbook is untranslated and you have to remember what's been said by others'. Realistically his base should be 5-C for probably scaling above Doom, though he was weaker than Wahlberg, so his base goes like "Doom < base Adam < summons Wahlberg".

Oh but yeah, I'll help out if I can.
 
I think Adam is at the same level or above Doom, but I don't think I should use the summoning argument.

IZ didn't need to summon anyone, he can beat Wahlberg without even getting hit with each attack being almost deadly.

He didn't summon Adam to help him fight or that he needed reinforcements or anything like that, he summoned him more for a personal issue with Wahlberg, to show that he can do this and maybe to test his old friend.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I think Adam is at the same level or above Doom, but I don't think I should use the summoning argument.

IZ didn't need to summon anyone, he can beat Wahlberg without even getting hit with each attack being almost deadly.

He didn't summon Adam to help him fight or that he needed reinforcements or anything like that, he summoned him more for a personal issue with Wahlberg, to show that he can do this and maybe to test his old friend.
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Yeah, that's why the "creator god" title should be used instead, if I'm remembering correctly. Also, we do see a surge of magic casted by Adam's body force Wahlberg back, so that should be a good justification.
 
So I don't know if you plan to compare Adam's summon with IZ, but I wouldn't do that.

In addition to IZ being much more powerful and with a wand that perfected his spells, the spells have different names. Adam's spells are called Dark (ダーク) and IZ's are called Darkness (ダークネス). They even use the "same spell" as that of the snakes and while Adam's is called Dark Snake, IZ's is called Darkness Snake.


I don't think you'll agree with this one, but I think he was already on the same page against Wahlberg. Such different wands are usually Master Canes and I don't think they ever said that he is a user of one.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
So I don't know if you plan to compare Adam's summon with IZ, but I wouldn't do that.

In addition to IZ being much more powerful and with a wand that perfected his spells, the spells have different names. Adam's spells are called Dark (ダーク) and IZ's are called Darkness (ダークネス). They even use the "same spell" as that of the snakes and while Adam's is called Dark Snake, IZ's is called Darkness Snake.


I don't think you'll agree with this one, but I think he was already on the same page against Wahlberg. Such different wands are usually Master Canes and I don't think they ever said that he is a user of one.
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Okay but Adam's magic has the statement that he's able to destroy the world with his magic so uhhhh
 
Honestly, still wondering if the calcs I found could be used in any way or when some of these changes can get to Mash's profile?
 
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