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Rayne Ames and the Symbol of Evil [Rayne vs All for One]

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  • Speed is Equalized
  • Rayne is in his Final Arc key and is starting with his Summons casted [786 Teratons]
  • All for One is in his Final War Arc key [706.30 Teratons] and can use his rewind drug at any point [1.05 Petatons]
  • Battle takes place in the city of the Final War Arc


FIGHTERS

Rayne Ames

"What's wrong? Don't tell me you're actually struggling.": 0

All for One
"I've found my own dream!": 0

Inconclusive: 3 (TheRustyOne, CastoriceTheFifth, STOPAUTOFARMING)
 
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Okay, what does this guy do? Looks like he specializes in weapons?

AFO has superior range and AOE here. I'm going to assume Search won't tell him about his abilities, due to them being magic based. It'd be kind of a NLF to assuming AFO can just understand the powers of everything he looks at. This guy is tough enough to withstand and surpass AFO's normal attacks.

With a starting distance of 4 km. AFO will initially have the advantage, but this guy is tough enough to withstand and surpass AFO's normal attacks. So I don't see how AFO could defeat him before he entered his range. However, this will allow AFO to understand that this man surpasses him in raw power and get handle on his speed/mobility.

How does this guy's accelerated development work here?
 
Okay, what does this guy do? Looks like he specializes in weapons?
Well Rayne here specializes in his personal magic, sword magic (called Partizans for whatever reason, it's weird). He's able to summon multiple swords at once, ranging from dozens of smaller swords to fire at an enemy or to use as defense, to large swords to **** shit up. He can even surf on them for extra mobility combined with offense, and although used once in the series, his attack Black Partisan is a giant mass of darkness (the anime plays it up more than the manga but it's about the same as shown below.)


And obligatory "stamina is broken as shit" as show on the profile
AFO has superior range and AOE here.
I forgot about that ngl but let's see how this goes
I'm going to assume Search won't tell him about his abilities, due to them being magic based. It'd be kind of a NLF to assuming AFO can just understand the powers of everything he looks at. This guy is tough enough to withstand and surpass AFO's normal attacks.
Yeah, I would think magic would be different enough from quirks. But it's a simple magic type, it wouldn't be hard for AfO to get the gist of it.
With a starting distance of 4 km. AFO will initially have the advantage, but this guy is tough enough to withstand and surpass AFO's normal attacks. So I don't see how AFO could defeat him before he entered his range. However, this will allow AFO to understand that this man surpasses him in raw power and get handle on his speed/mobility.
Yeah, and he does have access to his rewind drug if needed to try and win
How does this guy's accelerated development work here?
Basically his power skyrockets under extreme circumstances, previously getting bodied by a 50% Doom to actually managing to harm him at 70% power, with Doom even commenting that he was exerting more power. Howeveeeeeer, this isn't something that's instantaneous, as it took him being beaten down to a bloody pulp multiple times across 2 fights for it to even kick in. So I'd say it's a non-factor unless this fight stretches on for a reaaaaal long time.
 
By the time Rayne enter his own range of attack, AFO should have a good grasp on his powers. Considering his stat advantage, he can block most of AFO's ranged attacks. I think spatial manipulation could be a problem, but it's only been shown to be used in close to mid range.

The best thing AFO to do here is to keep his distance. Letting this guy get close enough to overwhelm him with attacks is a bad idea. However, I really don't see AFO powering through this guys defense with his ranged attacks. I feel like it'd enter a stalemate at this point.

Also, Rayne's vastly higher Lifting Strength lets him just power through any attacks without being sent flying back.

This would depend on who has better stamina here. I'd put my money on Rayne when it comes to how long someone can last. AFO does still need a life support machine to breath and he's never fought for an extended period of time. I don't see him being able to last longer than this guy.

Since I don't know Rayne, there could possibly be something he does to get through AFO despite his inferior range. For now, I'll go under the assumption that AFO has to make a risky move. He'll know he can't outlast this man, especially when he's superior to him in terms of power.

There's always a chance he allows Rayne close enough to use his spatial manipulation to tear him apart. But if Rayne is able to avoid it or land his own attack first, AFO would be in big trouble. Considering he uses swords and is already stronger, a single blade to his head would be fatal.

I don't believe AFO would get to use the Rewind Drug in this case. As he expects the Rewind to kill him eventually, he needs to save it until the last possible moment. When he's taken fatal damage and he's about to die anyway, that's when he'll take the drug. But if Rayne kills him instantly, then that obviously cannot happen.

I'm leaning towards Inconclusive right now. AFO lacks anything besides Spatial Manipulation that can reasonably take him down, but that requires him to enter Rayne's range. Where he can unleash Danmaku level attacks that surpass anything AFO can do in terms of raw power. Meaning he can't just overpower them or block them.

How likely is it for Rayne to launch a fatal attack? Would he aim for the head or would he avoid that?
 
By the time Rayne enter his own range of attack, AFO should have a good grasp on his powers. Considering his stat advantage, he can block most of AFO's ranged attacks. I think spatial manipulation could be a problem, but it's only been shown to be used in close to mid range.
Yeah, I'd say that's a big problem, since with his summons casted, Rayne prefers to fight up close with his transformed wand.
The best thing AFO to do here is to keep his distance. Letting this guy get close enough to overwhelm him with attacks is a bad idea. However, I really don't see AFO powering through this guys defense with his ranged attacks. I feel like it'd enter a stalemate at this point.

Also, Rayne's vastly higher Lifting Strength lets him just power through any attacks without being sent flying back.
Yeah, with a massive advantage in that category, Rayne should be able to have his swords easily clash with any attack AfO uses instead of getting knocked away.
This would depend on who has better stamina here. I'd put my money on Rayne when it comes to how long someone can last. AFO does still need a life support machine to breath and he's never fought for an extended period of time. I don't see him being able to last longer than this guy.
Ah right, yeah, forgot that without the rewind drug AfO is just an old man on life support. A very powerful old man, but still on life support.
Since I don't know Rayne, there could possibly be something he does to get through AFO despite his inferior range. For now, I'll go under the assumption that AFO has to make a risky move. He'll know he can't outlast this man, especially when he's superior to him in terms of power.
Typically when Rayne needs to cross a longer distance to get up close, like against Delisaster in the final arc, he can use a spell called "Partisan Surf". I mentioned it before, but he surfs on one of his swords, which allows him better mobility and allows him to slice while moving.
There's always a chance he allows Rayne close enough to use his spatial manipulation to tear him apart. But if Rayne is able to avoid it or land his own attack first, AFO would be in big trouble. Considering he uses swords and is already stronger, a single blade to his head would be fatal.
Again, a very big problem considering Rayne prefers to attack up close with Ares casted. However, I feel like with his varied movement potential and how he can use his swords as defense, while also being able to use his magic to heal wounds, he could still fight if he manages to get out of the way mostly.
I don't believe AFO would get to use the Rewind Drug in this case. As he expects the Rewind to kill him eventually, he needs to save it until the last possible moment. When he's taken fatal damage and he's about to die anyway, that's when he'll take the drug. But if Rayne kills him instantly, then that obviously cannot happen.
I'll answer that below in more detail, but Rayne definitely goes for fatal blows when he can. He's a bit unhinged, even fellow students can suffer his wrath and get kicked around. He has an intense view on morality, not taking any chances with those he deems "scummy" or just straight up evil.
I'm leaning towards Inconclusive right now. AFO lacks anything besides Spatial Manipulation that can reasonably take him down, but that requires him to enter Rayne's range. Where he can unleash Danmaku level attacks that surpass anything AFO can do in terms of raw power. Meaning he can't just overpower them or block them.
Counted until further notice.
How likely is it for Rayne to launch a fatal attack? Would he aim for the head or would he avoid that?
I'll elaborate, normally Rayne would absolutely aim for the head. Against Delisaster, his first attack was sending a sword to cleave his head in half, the only reason it didn't work was because Delisaster (and the other children of IZ), can just regenerate stuff like that as if it's nothing.

However, in this case where Rayne has his summons casted right away, it's a bit trickier to judge. As said, be prefers to get up close, where he goes for body shots to hack someone up, like Delisaster or Doom. While he still summons his regular swords in this state, meaning headshots are still viable, I wouldn't exactly say its his go to in this situation.
 
Put on inclusive for now. Same reasons as @TheRustyOne
I need to re read Mashle to get better hang about any other wincons here.
Counted, and please do there's only so few of us that are able to help the verse we don't even have scaling for the God tiers-
Wouldn’t rewind keep all for one going?
Well it could, but it also ends up undoing him out of existence. And as Rusty has said, he'd only pop it when he's about to die due to that fact.

Plus Rayne's willpower is so insane that I think he would tough out any attack rewind AfO might have minus space warping, the whole point of his fight against Delisaster was that he just would not go down despite being thrashed and gored by someone who was far superior to himself.
 
Wouldn’t rewind keep all for one going?
Assuming AFO isn't killed instantly. As Rayne is stronger and uses sharp weapons, that's possible if he aims his attack just right.

Plus Rayne's willpower is so insane that I think he would tough out any attack rewind AfO might have minus space warping, the whole point of his fight against Delisaster was that he just would not go down despite being thrashed and gored by someone who was far superior to himself.
If AFO does use the drug, I'm certain he wins.

AFO with Rewind instantly gets the advantage in AP/Dura, with his stats continuing to grow even further as he gets younger. The young AFO was able to one shot Gigantomachia, who is 1.05 Petatons. His Impure Beam just went through his entire body. I'm not seeing Regeneration on Rayne's page. Willpower is great and all, but willpower isn't getting you back up when parts of your body aren't connected anymore.

The amount of time AFO can last while Rewinding, even when taking into account damage accelerating the process, is way over 20 minutes. He obviously doesn't even need to worry about dodging anymore either. He'll just fly through any attacks and take the damage.

However, even if I give Rayne the absolute benefit of the doubt and say that he can survive that onslaught. If AFO is about to die from the Rewind, he'll body hop into Rayne. I'm not seeing anything on Rayne's profile that gives him resistance to spiritual possession. AFO's two last resorts are Rewind and possessing his opponent.

If about the die he's actually willing to possess anyone if he means he'll lives. And he can possess someone with just a single touch.

My vote for Inconclusive is because Rayne is brutal enough to kill AFO with a single attack. Rayne's range is comparable to spatial manipulation, meaning he has a good chance of killing AFO with his Danmaku when he enters his range. I believe the chance of who kills who is impossible for me to say, which is why I'm voting that way.

Just wanted to make my stance clear.
 
Assuming AFO isn't killed instantly. As Rayne is stronger and uses sharp weapons, that's possible if he aims his attack just right.


If AFO does use the drug, I'm certain he wins.

AFO with Rewind instantly gets the advantage in AP/Dura, with his stats continuing to grow even further as he gets younger. The young AFO was able to one shot Gigantomachia, who is 1.05 Petatons. His Impure Beam just went through his entire body. I'm not seeing Regeneration on Rayne's page. Willpower is great and all, but willpower isn't getting you back up when parts of your body aren't connected anymore.

The amount of time AFO can last while Rewinding, even when taking into account damage accelerating the process, is way over 20 minutes. He obviously doesn't even need to worry about dodging anymore either. He'll just fly through any attacks and take the damage.

However, even if I give Rayne the absolute benefit of the doubt and say that he can survive that onslaught. If AFO is about to die from the Rewind, he'll body hop into Rayne. I'm not seeing anything on Rayne's profile that gives him resistance to spiritual possession. AFO's two last resorts are Rewind and possessing his opponent.

If about the die he's actually willing to possess anyone if he means he'll lives. And he can possess someone with just a single touch.

My vote for Inconclusive is because Rayne is brutal enough to kill AFO with a single attack. Rayne's range is comparable to spatial manipulation, meaning he has a good chance of killing AFO with his Danmaku when he enters his range. I believe the chance of who kills who is impossible for me to say, which is why I'm voting that way.

Just wanted to make my stance clear.
Ah, oh right, damn parasite he is. I would have possibly said that if Rayne endured the onslaught (somehow), his AD could kick in to boost his stats dramatically, but that damn parasite....
 
I don't see how all for one can win. His ap with the rewind drug only reaches 6-A while Rayne is comfortably at High 6-A in the key being used, not to mention that this rewind drug has a time limit as well and will eventually rewind him to the point where he doesn't even exist anymore. The possession requires him to grant someone a quirk as well and from what I remember this can be countered by supernatural willpower which Rayne has listed in his profile. Also nothing stops Rayne from just one shotting all for one before he even gets to do any of these, it's in character as well from what I remember when I read mashle.
 
I don't see how all for one can win. His ap with the rewind drug only reaches 6-A while Rayne is comfortably at High 6-A in the key being used, not to mention that this rewind drug has a time limit as well and will eventually rewind him to the point where he doesn't even exist anymore. The possession requires him to grant someone a quirk as well and from what I remember this can be countered by supernatural willpower which Rayne has listed in his profile. Also nothing stops Rayne from just one shotting all for one before he even gets to do any of these, it's in character as well from what I remember when I read mashle.
The thing is that Rayne doesn't start at High 6-A, he only gets to a point after being beaten to near death multiple times in a last ditch effort. There's also the range difference, though that can be overcome with teleportation, and AFO being able to erase shit for his own potential one shot.
 
The thing is that Rayne doesn't start at High 6-A, he only gets to a point after being beaten to near death multiple times in a last ditch effort. There's also the range difference, though that can be overcome with teleportation, and AFO being able to erase shit for his own potential one shot.
I see, but I think rayne still has much better wincons and could still just danmaku all for one before he gets to rewind.
 
The possession requires him to grant someone a quirk as well and from what I remember this can be countered by supernatural willpower which Rayne has listed in his profile.
No it cannot. Don't make stuff up. It doesn't say that anywhere on his profile or in universe.
 
So, then, AfO needs to be in his rewind state to take over a body, yes? Or can he do it while being an old crippled man.
He can do it whenever he wants. It's an aspect of his All For One Quirk.

I imagine what he'll use first depends on how he sees Rayne. If he's about to die and can't touch Rayne, he'll use Rewind first.

But if he can touch Rayne and he finds him a worthy vessel, he might body hop into him beforehand. I think that is extremely unlikely. Especially because he needs to touch Rayne first. Body hopping while he's Rewinding is more likely, because he can just ignore any attacks instead of blocking or dodging.
 
No it cannot. Don't make stuff up. It doesn't say that anywhere on his profile or in universe.
In multiple parts of the series though tomura has been shown to somewhat resist his possession and only falls victim once he was in a much more vulnerable state mentally. Anyway like you mentioned he does have to touch rayne, and I think it's somewhat out of character anyway.
 
Before I count these votes, let me ask... don't the AP upgrades cull this match unless I throw in Rayne's brother, Finn?
 
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