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How did willpower end up becoming equipment. Even google translate gives the right word.Arianrhod The Sept-Terrion Eternal said:
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Masadaverse discussion thread 16
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I can see the reason for the Taikyoku values thing too there, yeah.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GP5_NQ_LEsZERO7772 said:
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@Dziga: He should be seeing as this is after K3 and Ama's separate from him at this point.
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Following with ZERO's comment on Taikyoku Values, should we even use them as part of the Gods justifications for tiering or what? It seems more like it'd be an in-universe thing but the fact Muzan/2nd Heaven managed to cut off his finger and Hajun only blew off his arm in response (though I wouldn't doubt that he could have just destroyed him outright more), I'm starting to think more in-line with what he said earlier.
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... Maybe wait until we can actually get context behind why that happened rather than jump the gun?
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OR...we can do that too. Much better and to get better context, yeah.
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He should be Tumorless as seeing this is after KKK but the prologue did mention that hajun power is expanding and growing with each moment passing by without end. Ren still thinks Hajun is unbeatable head on. yes Ren gets his power as yato.
I doubt Hajun has gotten much weaker.
I doubt Hajun has gotten much weaker.
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In order to understand why Hajun's power is still rising even without the Tumor, one has to understand how he works.
His taikyoku value augments because it is, like everyone else's, linked to his own craving. The stronger Hajun craves to be alone, the stronger he will get because he will focus only on himself at that time. Self love and narcissism are a feature of his law and world after all.
The tumor unintentionally reinforces Hajun's craving. Its presence causes Hajun's craving to amplify constantly, as the tumor does not even possess a power of its own (aside from the fact that it leeches off of Hajun's).
It exists as a catalyst to magnify his power as it's something constantly touching him as a part of him that he cannot get rid of, unlike the countless souls that stuck to him after taking the Throne, which actually made him weaker. When his focus is constantly on the tumor, his craving exponentially rises because he's feeding the self-important nature of his craving. Hajun is at his strongest when he's absolutely incapable of caring or paying attention to anything but himself.
In Pantheon, Hajun seems to be irked by some presence that he wants to get rid of which does the same thing as the Tumor, just not as ridiculously and fast as it did. Because the Tumor-Hajun "relationship" made things spiral out of hand really fast. As it is something that doesn't "directly" touch him, it doesn't piss him off as much, but his Taikyoku is still rising and he's "expanding" that way. Just not as ridiculously as before. Note that even without the Tumor, Hajun is not actually weak.
We do not know what happen during the Muzan-Hajun confrontation. Hypothesis are either Naraka is not accepting any "death" outside of his own narrative OR Ren stopped time quickly enough for Hajun to not destroy Muzan entirely.
We also do not know how Muzan's power work. Therefore, it is better to wait for context, translation and the actual pantheon release.
His taikyoku value augments because it is, like everyone else's, linked to his own craving. The stronger Hajun craves to be alone, the stronger he will get because he will focus only on himself at that time. Self love and narcissism are a feature of his law and world after all.
The tumor unintentionally reinforces Hajun's craving. Its presence causes Hajun's craving to amplify constantly, as the tumor does not even possess a power of its own (aside from the fact that it leeches off of Hajun's).
It exists as a catalyst to magnify his power as it's something constantly touching him as a part of him that he cannot get rid of, unlike the countless souls that stuck to him after taking the Throne, which actually made him weaker. When his focus is constantly on the tumor, his craving exponentially rises because he's feeding the self-important nature of his craving. Hajun is at his strongest when he's absolutely incapable of caring or paying attention to anything but himself.
In Pantheon, Hajun seems to be irked by some presence that he wants to get rid of which does the same thing as the Tumor, just not as ridiculously and fast as it did. Because the Tumor-Hajun "relationship" made things spiral out of hand really fast. As it is something that doesn't "directly" touch him, it doesn't piss him off as much, but his Taikyoku is still rising and he's "expanding" that way. Just not as ridiculously as before. Note that even without the Tumor, Hajun is not actually weak.
We do not know what happen during the Muzan-Hajun confrontation. Hypothesis are either Naraka is not accepting any "death" outside of his own narrative OR Ren stopped time quickly enough for Hajun to not destroy Muzan entirely.
We also do not know how Muzan's power work. Therefore, it is better to wait for context, translation and the actual pantheon release.
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Oh shit.~
I agree with Tony. It's best to wait for more context and "accurate" translations. I pray that fodder doesn't try to translate the scenario or Imma be braindead from it.
For I BOLIEVE in Hajun!
For I BOLIEVE in Hajun!
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Hajun and his Saiyan hair.
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A brilliant post Tony.
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So totally IC for Ren to react like that xD
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Yea they took a Gareblogs English translation of the prologue and translated it to Spanish. When I downloaded the file linked it gave me the Japanese version for some reason. So I'm wondering if they even have a patch yet. I feel betrayedGallantKnight X said:
Hi there, this is the download link of the patch, which can be applied to the first version of the trial edition (the one that you downloaded, seemingly). As you said, we just translated the prologue on garejei's blog , so you can read it directly from his blog if you are a native English-speaker.
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Weird that this hasn't been posted yet: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheZackZeal/status/1053966881810534401
So probably planet busting or higher Demon Kings.
So probably planet busting or higher Demon Kings.
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Translation?Matthew Schroeder said:
I am so ******* confused recently since it's only in Japanese.
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It's First Heaven stuff.
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I figured that because I can see Mithra's throne in some of the images.Matthew Schroeder said:
But what's the crystalline structure? Is it also the Throne or something?
What was worthy of saying "Oshit", and posting an array of images?
I'm genuinely curious.
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Muzan's faction is the Seven Demon Lords if i am not wrong
Mithra world is stil ****** up. It still has to do with good and evil. Ahura Mazda. It appears this "Srven Demon Lords" are the evil side while the Wahman is the "good" side (not sure about Wahman actually)
Additionally, should good ever vanquish evil. Both sides are reversed and the good of yesterday is the evil of today (kek. That essentially means this war is perpetual)
Mithra world is stil ****** up. It still has to do with good and evil. Ahura Mazda. It appears this "Srven Demon Lords" are the evil side while the Wahman is the "good" side (not sure about Wahman actually)
Additionally, should good ever vanquish evil. Both sides are reversed and the good of yesterday is the evil of today (kek. That essentially means this war is perpetual)
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Like them scans tho.
HABAKI LOOKS BADASS!! I don't mind either G Yuusuke or Yuunagii! Both draw pretty damn amazing and very unique style to their own! The AB duos like Habaki x Rindou XD
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Hey, I saw this on Twitter too earlier! Cool ass Habaki!
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I copied it from somewhere else and added my own stuff to expand it a little bit. Because I know a lot of people are having trouble understanding how it works.Warren Valion said:
If you don't already know, Masada tweeted about the factions of each Throne.
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Third Heaven: The Shamash: The standard race of this Throne. They have all sorts of complicated issues to them dating back to the former Throne. The Winged Ones: The Morning Star's agents. They clean and disinfect filth away from the world. The non-Believers: They stand as testament to the fact the Morning Star's law went out of control. As such, they're somewhat detached from the rest of this age's mood.
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Fourth Throne: Dies Irae's cast.
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Fifth Heaven: The Samsara Vartin. The heretical cult that idolized and instilled Hajun as a subject of worship. Led by two figures who go by the names of Svaha and Sahasrara.
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Sixth Heaven: Kajiri Kamui Kagura's cast. Seventh Throne: The protagonists. According to Masada, there are over 100 characters across all the Thrones. Many of them are still unrevealed, and he hopes to utilize all of them.
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"Oh, and the First Throne wasn't based on Sci-fi. I've said this before when I explained the world building, but basically there's one crazy powerful guy who increased the whole scale of that setting. He was mentioned a bit in the Switch Version, too." -Masada
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Second Throne: Angels/Fallen Angels: The Morning Star's biological weapons. The former are being without sin, the latter are walking incarnations of sin. Sin Bearers: People who are hosts to great amounts of Original Sin. The guys who keep saying "Access - My Sin."
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Fourth Throne: Dies Irae's cast.
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Fifth Heaven: The Samsara Vartin. The heretical cult that idolized and instilled Hajun as a subject of worship. Led by two figures who go by the names of Svaha and Sahasrara.
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Sixth Heaven: Kajiri Kamui Kagura's cast. Seventh Throne: The protagonists. According to Masada, there are over 100 characters across all the Thrones. Many of them are still unrevealed, and he hopes to utilize all of them.
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"Oh, and the First Throne wasn't based on Sci-fi. I've said this before when I explained the world building, but basically there's one crazy powerful guy who increased the whole scale of that setting. He was mentioned a bit in the Switch Version, too." -Masada
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Over 100 characters!?!
Anyway, thank you Arianrhod, this helps alleviate my confusion somewhat.
Anyway, thank you Arianrhod, this helps alleviate my confusion somewhat.
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Nice to get some WoG here from the Chuuni man himself.
@Arian: Thanks for the posting dood~
@Arian: Thanks for the posting dood~
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