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[Dalesean027]

Yeah see that hammer head DLC stuff I don't really remember, then her profile just needs major clean up

Black Cat's harmed Spider-Man and other villains enough times for her to scale

Eh yeah in that comic but like I said

Like Peter ain't even one shotting his own sinister 6 so black cat doing it is insane

Like from what we even see in the first game if Peter just needs to get 1 hit in to end the fight bro never would have struggled that hard

 

[Lonkitt]

Eh yeah in that comic but like I said

I can't remember her one-shotting the Sinister Six. Either way....why would we look at her one-shotting the Sinister Six and go "well thats an outlier. 9-B time" when she clearly scales to Peter?

 

[Maitreya12]

I feel like even if our pages end up not saying one's stronger than the other, it makes no sense to say Peter's stronger than Miles

I disagree, in the actual fight itself, Peter was shown to clearly overpower Miles with his symbiote powers + he was still holding back then too.

Also there was the whole ordeal with Kraven specifically going after symbiote Peter because he saw him as the strongest foe while he viewed Miles as someone to use in order to get Peter angry lol.

There was a scaling chain before but can someone write out a full scaling chain again so we can all see it and decide what needs tweaking

A basic chain should probably look something like this: Li<Peter<Miles<Kraven<Symbiote Peter<Venom<Mutated Venom.

 

[Lonkitt]

I disagree, in the actual fight itself, Peter was shown to clearly overpower Miles with his symbiote powers + he was still holding back then too.

Yeah. With Symbiote Powers. Regular ass Peter isn't any stronger lmao

Also there was the whole ordeal with Kraven specifically going after symbiote Peter because he saw him as the strongest foe while he viewed Miles as someone to use in order to get Peter angry lol.

Again. Black Suit

A basic chain should probably look something like this: Li<Peter<Miles<Kraven<Symbiote Peter<Venom<Mutated Venom.

Li isn't weaker than Peter??? He scales to Peter

 

[Dalesean027]

I can't remember her one-shotting the Sinister Six. Either way....why would we look at her one-shotting the Sinister Six and go "well thats an outlier. 9-B time" when she clearly scales to Peter?

Anything about her harming peter or one shotting Peters rogues all comes from that same comic otherwise they never fight remotely in the games from what I remember, he just has one chase with her which is the only actual scan on her page from the actual game itself


Again this could be another thing of me mis remembering but I feel like that would be a massive oversight missing a big fight between the two

 

[Maitreya12]

Yeah. With Symbiote Powers. Regular ass Peter isn't any stronger lmao

Oh, I thought the conversation was about symbiote Peter since that’s the only key in which he’s stronger than Miles.

Li isn't weaker than Peter??? He scales to Peter

In 2 separate fights, 1 of which Spider-Man was exhausted and heavily injured in, Peter has beaten Li while he’s still holding back no less cause Martin was his friend and Spider-Man naturally pulls his punches.

I think it’s a fair conclusion to make to say that Peter is stronger than Li.

 

[Lonkitt]

Anything about her harming peter or one shotting Peters rogues all comes from that same comic otherwise they never fight remotely in the games from what I remember, he just has one chase with her which is the only actual scan on her page from the actual game itself

Just the comic...?

Idk why people try to complicate the Insomniac scaling, this shit's actually less complicated than Raimiverse scaling

 

[Dalesean027]

Just the comic...?

Idk why people try to complicate the Insomniac scaling, this shit's actually less complicated than Raimiverse scaling

Brah she's not even harming him in these she's legit just jumping on him he falls over for one, the other two she just electrocutes him and uses his momentum to throw him down. This proves it even more

He ain't even tryna fight her in these really bro is legit just sitting there talking..well the last one he goes in but still she just redirects his momentum and then electrocutes him

 

[Lonkitt]

Brah she's not even harming him in these she's legit just jumping on him he falls over for one, the other two she just electrocutes him and uses his momentum to throw him down. This proves it even more

For the "other two", you're not actually taking into account the context. Yes, she zaps him in that one instance. In the second, the electricity isn't actively harming him, its disabling his webshooters. He jumps at her, she slams him, he exclaims in pain

 

[Maitreya12]

I deadass think Spider-Man just lets this shit happen because it’s the pretty girls that are doing it to him.

Bro has gotten his ass beat by Sable 3 separate times cause this man doesn’t want to do shit to women.

 

[Lonkitt]

Bro has gotten his ass beat by Sable 3 separate times cause this man doesn’t want to do shit to women.

Except he hasn't. He gets hit by her and harmed, but those weren't real fights. When they actually do fight in the DLC, they're evenly matched

People just....ignoring context now....?

 

[Dalesean027]

For the "other two", you're not actually taking into account the context. Yes, she zaps him in that one instance. In the second, the electricity isn't actively harming him, its disabling his webshooters. He jumps at her, she slams him, he exclaims in pain

The context? She literally is redirecting his momentum as he lunges at her using his own force to slam him into the ground.. like legit idk how you're seeing these and think this qualifies for scaling

 

[Lonkitt]

The context? She literally is redirecting his momentum as he lunges at her using his own force to slam him into the ground..

See, if Spider-Man was falling down, I'd concede. But he's not. Spider-Man's creating all of the momentum here, leaping forwards at her

Find me a regular ass dude or an athlete in real life who can redirect the momentum of Peter Parker

 

[Lonkitt]

Even if the comic was the only thing to go off of, its not like this is a 616 thing where Insomniac has several decades of different writers with differing ideas of the power levels and shit. The comic isn't some "Spider-Man beats up Sunfire" thing

 

[Maitreya12]

Except he hasn't. He gets hit by her and harmed, but those weren't real fights. When they actually do fight in the DLC, they're evenly matched

People just....ignoring context now....?

I don’t say they were, I’m just pointing out how Peter didn’t want to fight Sable every time she assaulted him lol.

Mostly for a joke.

 

[Dalesean027]

See, if Spider-Man was falling down, I'd concede. But he's not. Spider-Man's creating all of the momentum here, leaping forwards at her

Find me a regular ass dude or an athlete in real life who can redirect the momentum of Peter Parker

This isn't a new thing in fiction by any means plenty of fiction has characters who do stuff like this especially in comics.

And that's my whole point bro is literally creating all the momentum she literally just redirects it and even then im one not saying she's like a 10-C athlete, she's like 9-B to 9-A but just redirecting someone the way she did here doesn't mean jack to your actual scaling especially not in regards to Ap and Dura tiering and the most you could potentially push for with this is LS

 

[Lonkitt]

And that's my whole point bro is literally creating all the momentum she literally just redirects it and even then im one not saying she's like a 10-C athlete, she's like 9-B to 9-A but just redirecting someone the way she did here doesn't mean jack to your actual scaling especially not in regards to Ap and Dura tiering and the most you could potentially push for with this is LS

Even if we disagree with each other on this case, I redirect you to this point

Even if the comic was the only thing to go off of, its not like this is a 616 thing where Insomniac has several decades of different writers with differing ideas of the power levels and shit. The comic isn't some "Spider-Man beats up Sunfire" thing

 

[Maitreya12]

Find me a regular ass dude or an athlete in real life who can redirect the momentum of Peter Parker

Uh…there’s like plenty of people that can do that in game.

Like it’s a literal game mechanic that regular big thugs can screw you up if you web zip to them.

 

[Lonkitt]

Like it’s a literal game mechanic that regular big thugs can screw you up if you web zip to them.

Dawg that's gameplay mechanics

 

[Maitreya12]

Dawg that's gameplay mechanics

Fair point.

 

[Lonkitt]

If we're gonna gas up the regular thugs in this game, we're in trouble

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Uh…there’s like plenty of people that can do that in game.

Like it’s a literal game mechanic that regular big thugs can screw you up if you web zip to them.

We're talking about the same guys Peter can One-Shot with Finishers right which is basically just him not pulling his punches?

 

[Dalesean027]

Even if the comic was the only thing to go off of, its not like this is a 616 thing where Insomniac has several decades of different writers with differing ideas of the power levels and shit. The comic isn't some "Spider-Man beats up Sunfire" thing

That's great but that also doesn't mean outliers can't exist or else I'd have Spider-Man and Captain america in the avengers game be 6-B because spidey scales to Cap who once impressed thor with a punch when he first met him

And Cat one shotting Pete's rogues in some one off comic a something he can't even do when he's still legit trying and just redirecting his own momentum to me personally aren't feats that suppoet her scaling at all

Heck the avengers game comics have some of them swap guys they're fighting which would make Black widow and Cap 6-B by what happened, like its not exclusive to it just because its one medium these things can happen

Maitreya that thug scaling shit ain't it an actual big hop outta the kitchen moment

 

[Lonkitt]

That's great but that also doesn't mean outliers can't exist or else I'd have Spider-Man and Captain america in the avengers game be 6-B because spidey scales to Cap who once impressed thor with a punch when he first met him

And Cat one shotting Pete's rogues in some one off comic a something he can't even do when he's still legit trying and just redirecting his own momentum to me personally aren't feats that suppoet her scaling at all

So where are the scans of her one-shotting the rogues? I've never seen that. In the comic, I remember her fighting/harming Peter and some villains but never one-tapping them. Yeah, outliers can't exist, but so far, a large majority of your argument has been focused on her one-shotting them

 

[Dalesean027]

https://imgur.com/gallery/EQ0iklE

Well in the second one she kinda does it in 2 hits alongside Peter who has does 2 hits but still she one shots shocker

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

https://imgur.com/gallery/EQ0iklE

Well in the second one she kinda does it in 2 hits alongside Peter who has does 2 hits but still she one shots shocker

That second one has Shocker blatantly off-guard.

 

[Dalesean027]

That second one has Shocker blatantly off-guard.

Off guard doesn't drop your durability unless thats established in verse, not a good excuse by any means

 

[Lonkitt]

https://imgur.com/gallery/EQ0iklE

Calling that crash a one shot on Black Cat's part is...very generous. Not a case of her one-shotting though. Him struggling to shake her off is notable though, in a way that makes more sense than her just being in the one-shotting range. To be fair to Shocker, he had taken hits from Spider-Man prior to Black Cat's involvement

Another thing you aren't bringing up. When Spider-Man and Black Cat clobber Electro, neither one of them one-shots

Nothing here points to Black Cat one-shotting. She scales solidly

 

[Maitreya12]

Off guard doesn't drop your durability unless thats established in verse, not a good excuse by any means

isn’t shocker’s durability based off his suit? It doesn’t look to be armored in the scan of Black cat knocking him out, was this before the events of the first game?

The other instance with Vulture too is like her digging her claws in Vultures exposed head and directing him into a building. Plus Vulture is like a cancer ridden old man too so that really wouldn’t have her scale either.

 

[Lonkitt]

The other instance with Vulture too is like her digging her claws in Vultures exposed head and directing him into a building. Plus Vulture is like a cancer ridden old man too so that really wouldn’t have her scale either.

She isn't digging into his face at all. Just grabbing him

Also this

Calling that crash a one shot on Black Cat's part is...very generous. Not a case of her one-shotting though. Him struggling to shake her off is notable though, in a way that makes more sense than her just being in the one-shotting range. To be fair to Shocker, he had taken hits from Spider-Man prior to Black Cat's involvement

Another thing you aren't bringing up. When Spider-Man and Black Cat clobber Electro, neither one of them one-shots

Nothing here points to Black Cat one-shotting. She scales solidly

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Off guard doesn't drop your durability unless thats established in verse, not a good excuse by any means

In this case, it's a well-placed hit

 

[Dalesean027]

Another thing you aren't bringing up. When Spider-Man and Black Cat clobber Electro, neither one of them one-shots

Well in the second one she kinda does it in 2 hits alongside Peter who has does 2 hits but still she one shots shocker

Right there chief but not at all she has one instance as you yourself said just plucking his eyes, sure thing. A second instance where she one shots a guy but we'll give the credit to peter since he damaged him prior which means she ain't scaling to that, and the last instance where electro is defeated in 4 hits which would be her only valid AP feat against an of Peters rogues but even then Peter himself CANNOT defeat Shocker in 4 hits in the literal narrative of the first game so I take that with extreme stride so now all we're left with is her just redirecting his momentum which doesn't allow anyone to scale par from maybe LS if you really push it

 

[Maitreya12]

She isn't digging into his face at all. Just grabbing him

Also this

Her left hand looks to be right where his tear duct is. And again, cancer ridden old man.

 

[Dalesean027]

isn’t shocker’s durability based off his suit? It doesn’t look to be armored in the scan of Black cat knocking him out, was this before the events of the first game?

The suit only covers bros shoulders and chest hardly a full suit and even then yeah it did give him a power boost which would mean she still doesn't scale as electro prior to this would have no reason to scale to his unamped self that got made short work of

 

[Lonkitt]

Right there chief but not at all she has one instance as you yourself said just plucking his eyes, sure thing. A second instance where she one shots a guy but we'll give the credit to peter which means she ain't acaling to that, and the last instance where electro is defeated in 4 hits which would be her only valid AP feat against an of Peters rogues but even then Peter himself CANNOT defeat Shocker in 4 hits in the literal narrative of the first game so I take that with extreme strode so now all we're left with is her just redirecting his momentum which doesn't allow anyone to scale par from maybe LS if you really push it

She's....she's not plucking his eyes. Why are you and Maitreya making it out like she's doing some more brutal shit to him??? Her hands are obstructing his eyes, but she ain't touching his eyes at all. She's grabbing his head...

Also you're ignoring how Black Cat still harms Spider-Man. Off guard, yes, but like you said. This isn't DBZ where being offguard nerfs your durability. If there's signs you've been harmed, you got hurt by them

 

[Dalesean027]

Also you're ignoring how Black Cat still harms Spider-Man. Off guard, yes, but like you said. This isn't DBZ where being offguard nerds your durability. If there's signs you've been harmed, you got hurt by them

Bro redirecting someone isn't using your own force to harm them she literally used his own momentum you said so yourself even she doesn't scale

She's....she's not plucking his eyes. Why are you and Maitreya making it out like she's doing some more brutal shit to him??? Her hands are obstructing his eyes, but she ain't touching his eyes at all. She's grabbing his head...

Bro you're getting too heated over that point is he can't say and her hands are covering his eyes

 

[Lonkitt]

Bro redirecting someone isn't using your own force to harm them she literally used his own momentum you said so yourself even she doesn't scale

Dude. I'm referring to where she harms Peter in the comic

Bro you're getting too heated over that point is he can't say and her hands are covering his eyes

I'm not getting heated. I just think its funny how one person said "she's clawing into him" and another said "she's plucking out his eyes". Like she is doing neither lmao

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Just the comic...?

Idk why people try to complicate the Insomniac scaling, this shit's actually less complicated than Raimiverse scaling

now let's go over Tasm game scaling

also what the hell it hasn't even been an hour and there's already 2 more pages

 

[Lonkitt]

now let's go over Tasm game scaling

Peter and Lizard upscale Metal Gears. Done

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Peter and Lizard upscale Metal Gears. Done

what about cross species hunter Kraven and casually beaten Carnage!