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He was able to fight Symbiote Peter for a good amount of time and was even overpowering him for a bit near the end of their fightI feel like Kraven should be straight up low 7-C
Kraven had to have taken some bootleg super soldier serumWho's stronger
Man bitten by a radioactive spider giving him the proportional strength, as well as being further enhanced by a symbiote
Or
Jungle man
He uses potions, that’s how he’s so strong.Kraven had to have taken some bootleg super soldier serum
Or maybe he went through some ritual, like with The Hand
Then where were the nipple lasers!He uses potions, that’s how he’s so strong.
You can find them in the game as Peter when you’re looking through Kraven’s office, they’re a reference to the comics where Kraven used potions to get stronger there too.
Insomniac removed them because otherwise he'd be unbeatableThen where were the nipple lasers!
I guess no tier 0 scaling for the verse, sad daysInsomniac removed them because otherwise he'd be unbeatable
There was never a need. Given Haley's tracksuit ignited from sheer speed, and assuming the material is nylon, this website puts the speed at 2500km/h. Hypersonic.Was Peter's speed with the upgraded Velocity suit ever calced?
Should be varies up to 7-C with absorption, the entire high 8-C tier is disappearingMiles Morales (Insomniac) profile sandbox
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Alright, I'm slowly putting together the update for these profiles. Peter's is just about ready, Miles I'm still working on, I know someone else has a Kraven profile almost ready to go, and I just need to do the Harry profile next.
We're almost there, trust.
Thanks for the feedback, for the resistance part while Miles was actively helping Peter to overcome the, it was ultimately Peter in the end who fought off the symbiote’s mind control (something characters even with the same if not greater help like Harry were unable to do), and something he quite literally tore off of his body which I think still requires some level of resistance to be able to do. And the fact that these resistances should especially remain when he gets the Anti-Venom suit which explicitly resists the symbiote.Bold is my issues.
- Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (Was able to tear the symbiote suit off of him (he did this while the symbiote was weakened, he didn't even fully get rid of the symbiote as anti-venom which he didn't overcome without the help of Mister Negative) despite it being bonded to him on a sub cellular level. The symbiote bonds with its hosts' mind, body, and soul. needs citation)
You don't need resistance to the symbiote to physically pull it off, you just need to be strong enough to do it. Which, in almost all spider-man depictions, he's only able to do after the symbiote was sufficiently subjected to sound attacks. To mentally get it out, if I remember correctly Mister Negative needed to dump all of his power into Peter to remove the symbiote spores from his mind.Thanks for the feedback, for the resistance part while Miles was actively helping Peter to overcome the, it was ultimately Peter in the end who fought off the symbiote’s mind control (something characters even with the same if not greater help like Harry were unable to do), and something he quite literally tore off of his body which I think still requires some level of resistance to be able to do.
I’m very confused with the formatting of Peter’s profile. A lot of the statistics not only don’t match up to each other, but there’s lots of formatting errors and it’s overall quite messy. Also for bullet point abilities listings, you don’t have to put a comma at the end of every justificationMiles Morales (Insomniac) profile sandbox
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Alright, I'm slowly putting together the update for these profiles. Peter's is just about ready, Miles I'm still working on, I know someone else has a Kraven profile almost ready to go, and I just need to do the Harry profile next.
We're almost there, trust.
Also the " | " sign should be used to separate key sections only, and full stops should not be used in certain parts, for example:I’m very confused with the formatting of Peter’s profile. A lot of the statistics not only don’t match up to each other, but there’s lots of formatting errors and it’s overall quite messy. Also for bullet point abilities listings, you don’t have to put a comma at the end of every justification
Also you shouldn’t have “Even Higher” for the stamina and other stats. For stuff like speed, it should just be “higher”. For stamina, just use one rating: Superhuman
Oh and level shouldn't have a capital L
Alright, thanks very much for all the input and clarifications as well as the help provided!Also the " | " sign should be used to separate key sections only, and full stops should not be used in certain parts, for example:
Old:
Multi-City Block Level (Could harm Electro multiple times during their fight, with Peter defeating him at the end, and Electro being durable enough to withstand the destruction of a smokestack. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of breaking a wall just by jumping into it, and does so consistently by running. Fought alongside Miles Morales to eventually beat Sandman. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman and eventually used Peter's help to split Sandman in half., higher with Anti-Ock Suit (Fought evenly with Doctor Octopus) | Up to Small Town Level with the Symbiote/Anti-Venom Suit (Much stronger than before thanks to the added boost in strength the symbiote suit gives. Was superior to Miles Morales during their exchange as well as being able to singlehandedly hold off and subdue Venom for a brief period of time while Miles and Mary-Jane were able to steal the meteorite.)
New:
Multi-City Block level (Could harm Electro multiple times during their fight, with Peter defeating him at the end, and Electro being durable enough to withstand the destruction of a smokestack. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of breaking a wall just by jumping into it, and does so consistently by running. Fought alongside Miles Morales to eventually beat Sandman. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman and eventually used Peter's help to split Sandman in half), higher with Anti-Ock Suit (Fought evenly with Doctor Octopus), Small Town level with the Symbiote/Anti-Venom Suit (Much stronger than before thanks to the added boost in strength the symbiote suit gives. Was superior to Miles Morales during their exchange as well as being able to singlehandedly hold off and subdue Venom for a brief period of time while Miles and Mary-Jane were able to steal the meteorite)
Maitreya, you’ve barely made any of the adjustments and edits we said you should have in this thread into the profileOk, I've made some edits to each of the respective profiles based on the input I received. I think Peter and Miles' profiles are just about completed.
But, if anyone is able to, I could use for rendering images for Miles, Harry, and Venom since that's all I need left for the profiles.
It would be much appreciated, thanks.
?Maitreya, you’ve barely made any of the adjustments and edits we said you should have in this thread into the profile
I mean this with all due respect. You are not close to finishing this draft
I did this.Also you shouldn’t have “Even Higher” for the stamina and other stats. For stuff like speed, it should just be “higher”. For stamina, just use one rating: Superhuman
I edited the profiles to match this.Also the " | " sign should be used to separate key sections only, and full stops should not be used in certain parts, for example:
Old:
Multi-City Block Level (Could harm Electro multiple times during their fight, with Peter defeating him at the end, and Electro being durable enough to withstand the destruction of a smokestack. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of breaking a wall just by jumping into it, and does so consistently by running. Fought alongside Miles Morales to eventually beat Sandman. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman and eventually used Peter's help to split Sandman in half., higher with Anti-Ock Suit (Fought evenly with Doctor Octopus) | Up to Small Town Level with the Symbiote/Anti-Venom Suit (Much stronger than before thanks to the added boost in strength the symbiote suit gives. Was superior to Miles Morales during their exchange as well as being able to singlehandedly hold off and subdue Venom for a brief period of time while Miles and Mary-Jane were able to steal the meteorite.)
New:
Multi-City Block level (Could harm Electro multiple times during their fight, with Peter defeating him at the end, and Electro being durable enough to withstand the destruction of a smokestack. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of breaking a wall just by jumping into it, and does so consistently by running. Fought alongside Miles Morales to eventually beat Sandman. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman and eventually used Peter's help to split Sandman in half), higher with Anti-Ock Suit (Fought evenly with Doctor Octopus), Small Town level with the Symbiote/Anti-Venom Suit (Much stronger than before thanks to the added boost in strength the symbiote suit gives. Was superior to Miles Morales during their exchange as well as being able to singlehandedly hold off and subdue Venom for a brief period of time while Miles and Mary-Jane were able to steal the meteorite)
I did this.Oh and level shouldn't have a capital L
I did thisShould be varies up to 7-C with absorption, the entire high 8-C tier is disappearing
I removed the things needed to be removed and changed the justifications around based on input from this comment.Massively Hypersonic+ (Was able to react to and plan around getting struck by natural lightning. got tagged and dropped twice remove this) <- Peter
far higher reactions with Spider-Sense (Is able to react to and plan around getting hit by naturally occurring lightning bolts. planning to get hit is not proof of reaction speed)
Energy Projection (Miles' powers have evolved to the point where he is now able to project blue lightning from the palm of his hands), this is still electricity manipulation
^Miles
And completely reworked the abilities and justification for this specific part of my draft based on input from this comment.Bold is my issues.
- Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation (Was able to tear the symbiote suit off of him (he did this while the symbiote was weakened, he didn't even fully get rid of the symbiote as anti-venom which he didn't overcome without the help of Mister Negative) despite it being bonded to him on a sub cellular level. The symbiote bonds with its hosts' mind, body, and soul. needs citation)
Oh ****, I read it as the profiles should have capital L’s not shouldn’t.Peter's profile still has capital L's
This suit was so ass.....Ok, I've made some edits to each of the respective profiles based on the input I received. I think Peter and Miles' profiles are just about completed.
But, if anyone is able to, I could use for rendering images for Miles, Harry, and Venom since that's all I need left for the profiles.
It would be much appreciated, thanks.
How does fighting alongside someone prove they scale? When in the fight itself, Peter and Miles never did anything when it comes to matching each other's strength, if anything Miles in the Sandman fight was doing most of the heavy lifting when it comes to damage and Peter just helps by spraying water on Sandman.Fought alongside Miles Morales to eventually beat Sandman. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman and eventually used Peter's help to split Sandman in half.,
This is good just have Peter scale from Mr. Negative since he beat him before and the dude has just been locked up not getting any stronger so its viable but the Miles portion isn't needed on Peter's ap justification at all since it'd just be on Mr. Negative's own profile as justification since Miles literally couldn't beat him without his venom attacksMulti-City Block level (Able to fight Mr. Negative and even able to knock him out of his Negative form. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of taking numerous Venom Punches from Miles Morales. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman with his Venom Attacks)
Yeah lol the game goes out of its way to force Miles to dodge to build meter for his venom attacks to penetrate Li's defensesAdded the Mr Negative bit here because Dale said you need to use Venom Attacks in order to defeat Mr. Negative, which makes Peter's scaling to 8-A 100% justifiable, we can put it in Mr Negative's profile once peeps start making that.
If we're gonna say Mr Negative from SM1 shouldn't be any weaker than his SM2 counterpart, should other sinister six members like Rhino also receive this rating?My take on justification:
Multi-City Block level (Able to fight Mr. Negative and even able to knock him out of his Negative form. Can fight Rhino; stunning him, with the former being capable of taking numerous Venom Punches from Miles Morales. Miles being someone capable of doing this level of damage to Sandman with his Venom Attacks)
They are...If we're gonna say Mr Negative from SM1 shouldn't be any weaker than his SM2 counterpart, should other sinister six members like Rhino also receive this rating?
That's needing venom to beat Li...bro literally couldn't get through his defenses without itComparing Post-Roxxon Miles to "barely had a Spider-Man suit" Miles is a little flawed. Also, we know Li doesn't need venom to be utilized to be beaten - it was needed to bypass a particular shield
Kraven is legit just stronger than Miles and Li though so that'd not really a problem imoEven that is doubtful, since Kraven threatened to kill both of them if they did not fight, and Kraven extensively studied Li who said "there's no escape".
Nah he would scale to his full swing and his sandstorms the only thing that'd be worth less than low 7-C would be the yield when using that swin to calculate the durability for surviving it otherwise outside of that sandman literally just did a low 7-C swing casually as well as a 7-C storm so nah I see no reason why he'd not scale fully to his own featsSandman is just over bare minimum Low 7-C, but accounting for the surface area distribution would find the true durability yield.
Not really this only applies to the final blast after be absorbed the sand on the beach otherwise what you're arguing is that Miles somehow already amped himself before when literally he just used his regular venom blast the first time he punches so we know he wasn't amped as dude was just chilling at school and fyi those first 3 casual venom punches of each them the first one 8-A+ was the weakest mathwise so really not even crazy tbhI would also think that if the plan to defeat Sandman depended on Miles absorbing lightning, which would be focused through Peter and onto Sandman, then Miles likely doesn't have the casual output of lightning energy
You implying the rando enemy henchmen would be tier 8 because the game needs goons for you to fight...this is like such a non pointFunnily enough, using Sandman scaling through Li means the common thug that Miles fights with venom should also be tier 8, no?
Then Li would have a separate durability rating for that shield. Peter already beat Li without Li having this random shield ability in the first game, and Miles can beat him with regular hits outside of his shield. Otherwise, he'd need to constantly be "on."That's needing venom to beat Li...bro literally couldn't get through his defenses without it
Kraven is legit just stronger than Miles and Li though so that'd not really a problem imo
????Who said Sandman doesn't scale to his own feats? The bold is exactly what I'm saying.Nah he would scale to his full swing and his sandstorms the only thing that'd be worth less than low 7-C would be the yield when using that swin to calculate the durability for surviving it otherwise outside of that sandman literally just did a low 7-C swing casually as well as a 7-C storm so nah I see no reason why he'd not scale fully to his own feats
Not making sense of this. It was directly stated that focused lightning energy = beat Sandman. Sandman's individual sand grains aren't tier 8 or 7, we both know this. Miles did as much damage as he did in his first form because Sandman's body absorbed hundreds of gallons of water, which allowed the electricity to have a much wider area of effect than if he was dry. Had they succeeded in dumping 10,000 gallons of water on Sandman, we would be arguing whether or not Miles blowing up half or all of Sandman is legit or not.Not really this only applies to the final blast after be absorbed the sand on the beach otherwise what you're arguing is that Miles somehow already amped himself before when literally he just used his regular venom blast the first time he punches so we know he wasn't amped as dude was just chilling at school and fyi those first 3 casual venom punches of each them the first one 8-A+ was the weakest mathwise so really not even crazy tbh
The same brutes that knock them around during cutscenes (specifically, the Demon and Kraven brutes who are likely enhanced)? One of them was literally a mini-boss that you had to beat with the black suit. Regardless, this has nothing to do with my main argument; I'm just pointing it out.You implying the rando enemy henchmen would be tier 8 because the game needs goons for you to fight...this is like such a non point
Yeah but Peter beat Li in his full power oni transformed state one I'd say should very easily be above some rando shields he csn just spawnThen Li would have a separate durability rating for that shield. Peter already beat Li without Li having this random shield ability in the first game, and Miles can beat him with regular hits outside of his shield. Otherwise, he'd need to constantly be "on."
You did, look at how you worded it. Ya even said he's barely over low 7-C.???Who said Sandman doesn't scale to his own feats? The bold is exactly what I'm saying.
This is all in and of itself a lot of nonesense tbhNot making sense of this. It was directly stated that focused lightning energy = beat Sandman. Sandman's individual sand grains aren't tier 8 or 7, we both know this. Miles did as much damage as he did in his first form because Sandman's body absorbed hundreds of gallons of water, which allowed the electricity to have a much wider area of effect than if he was dry. Had they succeeded in dumping 10,000 gallons of water on Sandman, we would be arguing whether or not Miles blowing up half or all of Sandman is legit or not.
If Miles's output is greater than lightning, then it makes no sense that he needs to absorb and channel said lightning into an attack.
Peter: "You absorb enough energy...I'll shoot it right at him"
Peter: "Can you handle it?"
Miles: "Only one way to find out"
It looks all but direct that Miles isn't casually pumping out lightning-level blasts, which by default would mean the energy he absorbed > the energy he was punching Sandman with the first time. And this is Miles way after he damn near killed himself trying to drain the Nuform core. This shows Miles's output is nowhere near equal to his maximum capacity.