This is just disingenuous and I’m fairly certain you’re aware of that
I simply don't feel like typing paragraphs. Call it what you want, that is factually true since it has a basis in scaling.
It wouldn't even be 15,000 pounds, as the biggest water tank they were going to use was 10,000 pounds. Regardless, weight or absorption rates have nothing to do with what I said.
But it genuinely directly does tho because you made a point of how it made the electricity have a wider aoe (in turn being more potent) which I'm not refuting in what I said because that's factually true however this bit from above is to show that it didn't have nearly as much of an impact on the feat as you made it out to be as not even the majority of said water would be absorbed through the sand anyways to drastically change its conductivity and range.
I feel like all the Miles stuff got blown way out of context. Nobody is saying Miles or Li shouldn't scale from the Sandman feat, or that it's not legit. In fact, if you also take into consideration the vaporization of water in addition to the energy it takes to melt sand, it would probably be borderline Low 7-C by itself.
The current Li has been held in a cage without the ability to use his powers in any regard. By all means, Li from Spider-Man 1 should be stronger than Li from Spider-Man 2 if anything.
When he defeated Li in their last fight, he kicked through the demon like it didn't exist, because it's non-corporeal. Also, the demon is what creates the shield in SM2.
This seems pretty corporeal to me. In fact you bringing up the demon creating the shield just proves the point.
Watch the rest of the video.
The evidence that he got stronger is taking venom hits from Miles and Kraven chanting on the sidelines for him to use his full power. Again, the whole counter-argument is contingent on base Peter being as strong or stronger than Miles with venom, which I can provide a laundry list of feats to disprove. His venom is rated entirely separate and higher from his base stats anyway. Otherwise, the only other argument here is, "well, Peter did it in the first game, so he should be able to do it again here." Peter hasn't beaten a single person in his rogue gallery without using the symbiote since the first game.
Yeah he kicks through it….that doesn’t make it non physical. Peter physically kicked through it, your argument is that the demon is non corporeal and not physically there to touch and I’m proving to you that the demon is actually physical. So this clip just proves the point that Peter physically kicked through the demon.
Thats not evidence that he got stronger, he could just be the same strength and they could just scale to Miles’ venom attacks, so that wouldn’t be evidence. The counter argument is the fact that Peter is fighting the exact same people that Miles is using his Venom attacks for.
Well one fight involved Peter being dragged through literal explosions and another fight involved turning the enemies against each other and containing them. So differing circumstances lead to differing results. Also Peter being able to damage Rhino who’s able to tank several Venom attacks further proves the point that Peter scales.
Coulda woulda shoulda. You provide me hypotheticals based on conjecture as an argument. Again, unless you can prove Peter is as strong as Miles with venom, there is no evidence Li has always been this strong.
-Kraven kills Peter
I don't see how he's "fighting the actual demon" when the only course of action you can take is dodging its attacks until it goes away. The demon has no evidence that it is the susanoo you portray it to be.
Elite red herring. It happened, and it isn't up for debate as to why it happened, nor does the out-of-universe why matter. Nobody said he needs to beat them, I said he hasn't won a fight against anybody who matters since the first game. So to assume he scales to somebody's unique powerset that is consistently shown above him since the first game is a stupid take in my opinion.
Miles also got dragged through the same initial massive explosion that Peter did. The explosions throughout the Roxxon building isn't what finished Peter off; you can literally see Rhino laying hands on him in the background while Miles is fighting off waves of thugs. I'll even link you to the exact moment you're referencing.
Damage is an extremely generous term. Peter was dropping multi-ton shipping equipment on his head, which did most of the work, then hitting him while he was already down. I don't see how he scales after getting stomped. I think we should revisit your original point before I waste more time doing basic fact-checks.
His durability would scale, sure. But can you somehow prove that Rhino hits with as much power as venom to justify an AP change?
No what you’re stating is that Peter kicked through the demon “like it didn’t exist.” Like it was non-physical, but meanwhile the shield that Miles breaks through that is done by this very same demon is entirely physical. That is the claim that you made and that is the claim that you have yet to substantiate. You have not provided evidence that there is some arbitrary distinction between this manifested demon and the manifested shield, and the fact that Peter actively dodges this demon as he’s kicking through it just proves to the point that it’s something physically to interact with.
I did not, I provided you concrete proof that Peter is comparable with how showing against Li. Also that’s not how burden of proof works, you’re the one making the claim that Li got stronger, therefore it’s your burden of proof to prove that he got stronger. I don’t need to prove anything since you’re the one making the claim that Li got stronger.
The same Kraven that beat down Miles. Also Kraven is a new opponent to Spider-Man here so irrelevant.
After Peter has beaten Rhino before.
These two points become irrelevant thanks to the added “weakened” section of your quote.
And? This doesn’t prove Peter doesn’t scale, which is the claim you’re making.
Isn’t this the same Sandman that can harm Miles but literally struggled to hurt Peter?
He literally kicked through said demon. Also, you’re the one making the claim that the demon is this kind of intangible thing that doesn’t have durability to it or acts like it doesn’t exist, therefore it’s up to you to prove that claim. In every situation we see the demon in, we see it physically being there. Peter kicked through the demon the same way Miles punches through the shield, it’s up to you to prove that the demon isn’t actually there for Peter since you’re the one making that claim.
Thats not a red herring, I’m explaining why that point doesn’t matter. We assume he scales to somebody’s power set because the people that individual is fighting with that specific power set are the very same people that Spider-Man has fought and damaged and beaten against. Ergo this is a basic understanding of scaling in my opinion.
I never claimed that the explosions finished Peter off, but damage can accumulate and being dragged through several explosions is what we can certainly classify as “damage.” Rhino is a heavily armored tank, Spider-Man is not. Rhino can tank explosions better than he can, ergo, different circumstances lead to different results.
That’s still scalable, Peter can literally perform finishers on Rhino that we can see do damage in that fight. Also we have direct instances of Peter scaling to Rhino like for example Peter throwing Vulture at him, knocking him down. And Peter directly stopping a punch from Rhino. These are some pretty basic fact checks that you seem to be missing.
You can contain someone and win a fight against them, that’s not mutually exclusive. Peter directly fighting Rhino, knocking him down and doing damage to him and scorpion as well while being able to successfully contain the two, is winning the fight. I also never claimed that being in prison means Peter can escape losing, but your point is that Martin Li got stronger in his time in prison, which there is no evidence for. I also mentioned more reasons than just “being in prison” for why Martin Li would be weaker “if anything.” Like how Martin’s power feeds off of his negative emotions, which was fueling him in Spider-Man 1 but he’s largely mellowed in Spider-Man 2.
Uh yeah…he can harm Miles, whose durability scales to those 8-A+ values. Just how scaling works, since Miles’ durability scales to his venom attacks and Rhino is able to harm Miles, then that leaves Rhino’s AP being on the level as those venom attacks.
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There's a period where there should be a comma in Peter's speed section.Venom profile Sandbox
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There's also a period where there should be a comma in the attack potency section as well.
Could work and you Could have their combo finishers as team attacks
Yeah all I'm worried about is that AP gap. There's probably a way around it (or unless the gap is being raised from 5x to something idk whats going on with that thread)
Ah I misread In thought you were talking about a team profile
Do Duos qualify for Team Profiles? I know Trios do but I'm unsure about Duos.
It should their team up is notable enough
You could throw MJ and Miles' friend in there too probably.
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I got that from tanking Sandman’s swings which are rated as low 7-C.
So…why isn’t Peter’s base AP at Low 7-C…? He fights/defeats/harms those who can harm himself all the time and yet he’s 8-A in base? This also extends to Miles
Okay, thanks for clearing that up.
Wanna elaborate there?
I don't either this is pretty much how agree things as well par from a few exceptions like wraith, doc ock, idek why silver sable scales at least physically I don't really remember her harming peter so I'd say drop her to like 9-B or sum. apparently black cat can consistently harm all of the sinister 6 in whatever comic that was on her profile??? I'd personally say those are outliers especially since none of it actually happens or is referenced in the game especially considering what we've seen on the verse
Silver Sable and Spider-Man literally fought evenly in their battle for the Hammerhead DLC. Yes, she scales. The fight's even noted in Spider-Man's intelligence section. There's that and the fact Sable's harmed him a few other times (not in fights, just moments where Sable just wants him to fvck off)
Silver Sable consistently dropped Peter on his ass whenever they came to blows in the first game, at least I remember her dropping him at least once in their encounters, especially when Peter directly says she's one of the fiercest combatants he's ever faced.
Sable never "dropped him on his ass", she just hit him outta nowhere in situations that weren't fights. When they actually fought it was on even grounds, but Spider-Man considers her the most pure fighter he's ever met. Point being, yeah she scales
