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When I answer your faulty interpretations of scans I will point out that you're reading them wrong, yes. Whether you like it or not. Wanting me to just "back off" simply for disagreeing and pointing out that you're wrong is emotional fragility. Deal with it.
As Kep mentioned, I was responding to Ant's arguments, not yours, so...ok boomer
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No, they didn't explicitly say anything, actually. Other than the Shadow Seat Gods wanting to eat the stories of the Norse Gods' final battle and final death.
The Those-Who-Sit-Above-in-Shadow's omen of the "end of the stars" and the "new Ragnarok" was interpreted by Odin as the end of the entire multiverse, which it was. Let me explain it to you word-for-word so you can hopefully at least get what is taking place:
Now, we go on. As Loki ably puts it:
Which serves both as a fourth wall joke and a legitimate warning:
The day of Last Battle is the day where everything, everyone goes to battle, just before the omniverse collapses together with the World Tree, as shown by the Avengers going forth to battle.
Verity detects that Fem!Loki is lying and questions her about it. She states that it's not exactly the end of all stories -
which is also a meta reference to the comicbook story itself continuing, because stories are self-perpetuating. Everything is a story, afterall.
Hela states:
Showing that yes, the entire story is ending, the same story that includes the entire multiverse/omniverse. Ragnarok is coming, and this time it ain't just the Nine Realms:
The story of the Last Days/Battle comes, and Hela attempts to buy the
entire multiverse another day by killing everyone in Midgard. Odin refutes her:
And then, mere panels later, the Last Battle happens. Everything was supposed to end, just like the TWSAIS desired...
Were it not for God of Stories Loki
using his meta power over the story to save it from oblivio. For, pray tell, what happens to a story when it ends?
It ceases to exist. Back to the void. Nothingness.
The TWSAIS state:
The end of the entire multiverse has come, and the TWSAIS are the final victors of it, just as they had said they'd be; they aren't dependent on Ragnarok, because they were the ones to create the cycle to begin with. They act before the end, during the end, and after the end, and so on endlessly, because the multiverse is continuously reborn. The only reason they even appear before Loki is because he saved that story from their grasp, and they came to claim it.
And what does Loki do to dispute the existence of the Shadows
He describes how the gods came to be, from the cosmic nothingness of Ginnungagap. The stories echoed through all time and space, back to before all of creation, to form them:
deities who embodied the very tales that the mortals used to ward off their fears and concerns. Stories so good that the universe itself believed them.
But, of course, talking about space and time to entities that transcend both is not very effective. So what does Loki say?
His way of disputing them is talking about stories grander than time and space. Stories that come from the mind of the gods themselves, as opposed to men. He scares the TWSAIS away by presenting them with the possibility...that, just like gods are created from men's stories, they are created from the gods' stories. What stories are those?
We know, because we see throughout the entire run what those stories are: the end of all there is. The destruction of the entire multiverse. Back to the drawing board, day zero. As Loki puts, "
when everything dies"
Those are the tales he supposes the TWSAIS are shaped from. The fear and stories of Ragnarok; the tales that, as we saw throughout this entire run, involved the destruction of the entire multiverse, and the fear the Gods felt from the imminence of such an event, their utter inability to control or stop it.
Bottom line: no matter what view you choose to accept, Loki's or theirs, they are multiversal entities in this story, and feed off the multiversal story. Everything available about them points to such.
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Ragnarok as presented in the Rune King Thor was objectively a local event. Such a thing is an unarguable fact as much as you wish to ignore the story proper to scaling from events 15 years down into the future.
It doesn't matter whether the term "Ragnarok" at this point in time only referred to the 9 Realms and nothing else. The TWSAIS transcending all spatial and chronal structure was already hinted at in this story, and confirmed in the Agent of Asgard storyline. There are no contradictions when it comes to their nature.
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Then stop bringing him up. You're the one who started this mess by equating shit with Oblivion with no evidence.
No, I didn't.
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3850463 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3890091
Those are the two threads about the subject that preceded this one. Never did I bring up Oblivion, other than to correct a slightly-wrong claim that PrinceoftheMorning made about Mikaboshi in a completely unrelated context. Never said anything other than that.
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Prove it. You still haven't.
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In the beginning, there was Ginnungagap, the great unending nothingness."
In the beginning, there was darkness.
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Big deal. That could be a description to give insight to a Tier 2 thing.
Given the succeeding context of Ginnungagap as a void outside the Low 1-A multiverse, it obviously doesn't. I needn't waste much more time with this point.
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No. It. Wasn't. How many times will we go through this.
I ask the same question.
I suggest you drop this.
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No it wasn't. There's nothing about spatial dimensions there. Stop putting Reed Richards to shame with your stretching
Ok boomer.
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You have many times over. One of the major arguments in the past threads, in fact, was that "People like Lifebringer Galactus can barely survive in the Outside and the Shadow Boys are native to it!!!111"
Don't lie. It's bad.
As I have proven above, you made this up to make people think I was a liar and discredit my arguments. So, indeed, I quote your final words to cement my own:
don't lie, because it's bad. Though I heavily doubt you'll take that advice, anyway.
