- 1. The "Fates" referred to in The Infinity Revelatio are not The Norns from Thor's cosmology. We cannot assume that every time a writer makes an allegorical reference to "the fates," he is deliberately referring to The Norns, especially in a story that does not include The Norns or any other aspect of Thor's cosmology. Jim Starlin has never featured them in any of his stories nor did he include them in his multiversal heirarchy. The Living Tribunal also attributes the events of The Infinity Revelatio to "Destiny," "the stars and their creator," and "his master."
> This argument would make sense if there is/are something else called as "Fates" in Marvel. Absence of stuff relating to Thor has nothing to do here, because Thor wasn't mentioned here, but fates were. There presence in Jim's Multiversal heirarchy doesn't mean anything because even Death and TOAA were absent and both of them played important roles in his storylines, directly and/or indirectly. Attributing to events doesn't affect the argument for World Tree because as said by Eternity, the fates were just letting it to be realized, not happen or proceed.
- 2. The above analysis regarding Seth's invasion of Asgard misinterprets terminology used in that story, and it more likely means something quite different when taken in full context. Terms like "reality," "plane," "realm," "multiverse," "universe," "dimension," etc. mean different things, depending on the writer. In this story in particular, "plane" is used as a stand in for "realm," as indicated when Seth claims that the destruction of Asgard's Rainbow Bridge cut them off "from the mortal plane." In Thor's cosmology, the Rainbow Bridge connects Asgard to Midgard (Earth's realm). With this context in mind, we can see that Seth's only mention of "infinite planes" was when he boasted that nobody in "infinite planes" had ever assembled an army as large as his ow. This is just the same as saying "Nobody in infinite universes of the multiverse has ever had an army this big!" There's never any indication infinite planes are actually in danger in the story at all. The only time multiple planes are directly affected in this storyline, they specify that they are talking about the planes within that reality. So, knowing that "plane" likely means "realm" in this storyline, if we further reason that "reality" means "conventional Marvel universe," then this clears up all inconsistencies. By this interpretation, Seth was only threatening every realm within Marvel 616 (i.e. the 9 realms of Yggdrasil), and this also fits with how his battle against Odin caused shockwaves which "ripple across every plane of reality." If those "planes" were meant to be read as "realms" and "reality" was meant to be read as "Marvel 616," then this feat would be consistent with Odin's usual showings. If those "planes" were meant to be read as "every layer of Marvel's omniverse" and "reality" were meant to be read as "all of Marvel," then this would be a Low 1-A feat for both Odin and Seth, which severly contradicts their usual levels.
> Usage of Plane as Reality by a character, doesn't affect the usage of Planes by the narrator himself. Mortal Plane was just used as a substitute for 616 Reality by Seth and the 9 realms are not within 616, they are fully formed and sperate/discrete Universes as shown
here . Sending ripples across planes of Reality =/= Destroying said planes. In Marvel Gods have shown the ability to travel and affect Planes of Reality, as shown
here and
here
> Yes, in Mythology, not in fictions like Marvel. Ginnungagap could be the Asgardian way of saying "OBLIVION". Just like how they call Universes as Worlds/Realms. Also, it wasn't "ONLY", the story was about Asgardian Nine Realms not the entire Multiverse, that's why they were talking about Nine Realms.
- 4. We cannot be sure that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow naturally reside in The Outside, because while Odin's original vision of them may have happened "outside of all realities," there are actually many realms in Marvel that qualify as being "outside all realities" without literally being in the 1-A realm beyond everything. Like with The Norns, we cannot assume that every time a writer mentions something being "outside all realities" they are making an intentional reference to The Outside. Furthermore, at the time of Loki's confrontation with Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, the multiverse had just been destroyed. Anybody who had survived or escaped the death of the multiverse was in The Outside (including Loki). Loki was also in possession of the essence of the gods, which Those Who Sit Above In Shadow feed o. Thus, him encountering them in The Outside does not necessarily make The Outside their natural habitat. It just makes it the only place Loki could be at the time, and he had something they wanted. After he scares them off, he even claims they returned "back to wherever they came from," implying they do not naturally live in The Outside. In regards to the scaling specifically, while Lifebringer Galactus might have claimed to have trouble existing in The Outside in a much later story, that seems to have been something that was not yet established when Loki met Those Who Sit Above In Shadow, as fairly mundane beings were surviving just fine in The Outside during this storyline. Therefore, even if you can prove that Those Who Sit Above In Shadow naturally reside in The Outside, it does not really say much about their tiering or the tiering of Yggdrasil.
> The fact that TWAIS were fine after the destruction of the Multiverse shows that either they live outside the Multiverse (making them 1-A, by nature, not power) or have Multiversal durability. Also, the Outside/Oblivion is infinite nothingness, so that could possibly mean that they live in a part of Nothingness and after encountering Loki they went back to said part. It's also worth noticing how they could detect Loki and energies or whatever he had, in the 1-A Realm of infinite nothingness.
> He starts to freak out because he apparently saw the End. Anybody would freak out after seeing anything like that.
