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If the Odinsleep is Odin’s Varies mechanism, then if someone fights Odin and there’s no evidence that he’s being weakened by the Odinsleep, they should scale to his peak.The thing is, there is no proper in verse criteria aside from muh Odin Sleep. That's literally the only plausible explanation for his shit feats. He is just that bad. Whatever the **** happens to Odin, I just don't want the entire scaling chain relying on him again.
a little too shit for my taste, but meh, sure. Also, it's essentially similar to what i was saying initially by looking at the greater context of the feat, reading before and after the said feat and examining his state in it.If the Odinsleep is Odin’s Varies mechanism, then if someone fights Odin and there’s no evidence that he’s being weakened by the Odinsleep, they should scale to his peak.
I literally never disagreed that Odin can be a Varies tier, I just want actual solid criteria to determine when, how and why Odin is at his peak or not at any given moment.Well, Confluctor is factually correct though. Dan Jurgens stated outright that Odin only had planetary power at best when Jurgens was writing the character, and Jason Aaron had Odin stalemated by Jane Foster in a low-level battle during which volcanic eruptions were viewed as genuine threats, whereas Jim Starlin had Thanos be able to almost put up a fight against the character, just to name a few examples.
Alright then, going back to Surtur, he might need his own Varies mechanism, so I’ll drop him scaling to Odin for now.a little too shit for my taste, but meh, sure. Also, it's essentially similar to what i was saying initially by looking at the greater context of the feat, reading before and after the said feat and examining his state in it.
@LordTracerwhy does surtur needs that again?
That would be absorption of some sortdunno if this would actually work for a Varies tier, but Surtur becomes stronger whenever he gets closer to the Eternal Flame (Thor Vol. 1 #353), even when he’s not actually in possession of it.
@ConfluctorAlso, what do we currently need to do here, Confluctor? Should I call for any more members who are reasonably knowledgeable to help out here?
@Confluctor @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer @LordTracer @ObberGobb @Firestorm808Can you or somebody else here write easy to understand explanations of our conclusions here so far and what currently needs to be evaluated before I call for them please?
Thank you for the summary.Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
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From what I understand, here's whats the current proposal is:
1. "Peak Skyfathers" get 2-A. These are people who scale to Odin at his peak of power. Odin gets a "Varies" tier.
2. "Normal Skyfathers" get 2-C based on Surtur's 9 Realms feat.
3. Hell Lords also get 2-C, based on either the aforementioned Surtur feat or a feat of affecting multiple spacetimes.
4. Old King Thor tier characters get "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" based on OKT fighting the Phoenix Force.
@ConfluctorSeems reasonable. What's behind Odin's varies?
Essentially, yes. For the lack of a better option since he is just too inconsistent. I honestly wouldn't mind having him vary from 3C to 2A via odinsleep, but don't scale anyone from him because of how much of a mess he is.dinsleep-related stuff?
I personally wouldn't mind that either.Essentially, yes. For the lack of a better option since he is just too inconsistent. I honestly wouldn't mind having him vary from 3C to 2A via odinsleep, but don't scale anyone from him because of how much of a mess he is.
Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz. But if the statement isn't enough to scale him with that's fine.Who was the writer again? Cause World Tree isn't always a 2A structure - depending on the writer.
While I don't necessarily agree, it needs to be judged case by case. Because sometimes, the feats could very well be within the same level as their current AP.Okay. I disagree with scaling from boasts though.
Thanks. I might look into that some time, but for now, I think we can leave that out I suppose.Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz. But if the statement isn't enough to scale him with that's fine.
Well, I suppose that it can probably be used as supporting evidence for other, explicit, feats, but definitely not on its own.While I don't necessarily agree, it needs to be judged case by case. Because sometimes, the feats could very well be within the same level as their current AP.
Thanks. I might look into that some time, but for now, I think we can leave that out I suppose.