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Marvel Comics - Odin AP Revision
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If the Odinsleep is Odin’s Varies mechanism, then if someone fights Odin and there’s no evidence that he’s being weakened by the Odinsleep, they should scale to his peak.
To say otherwise would basically just be cherry-picking who scales and who doesn’t with no proper reasoning, which we shouldn’t be doing.
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Well, Confluctor is factually correct though. Dan Jurgens stated outright that Odin only had planetary power at best when he was writing the character, and Jason Aaron had Odin stalemated by Jane Foster in a low-level battle during which volcanic eruptions were viewed as genuine threats, whereas Jim Starlin portrayed Thanos as able to almost put up a fight against Odin, just to name a few examples.
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a little too shit for my taste, but meh, sure. Also, it's essentially similar to what i was saying initially by looking at the greater context of the feat, reading before and after the said feat and examining his state in it.
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I literally never disagreed that Odin can be a Varies tier, I just want actual solid criteria to determine when, how and why Odin is at his peak or not at any given moment.
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Alright then, going back to Surtur, he might need his own Varies mechanism, so I’ll drop him scaling to Odin for now.
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why does surtur needs that again?
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@LordTracer
Also, what do we currently need to do here, Confluctor? Should I call for any more members who are reasonably knowledgeable to help out here?
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Sorry, kinda forgot about this.
I dunno if this would actually work for a Varies tier, but Surtur becomes stronger whenever he gets closer to the Eternal Flame (Thor Vol. 1 #353), even when he’s not actually in possession of it.
I dunno if this would actually work for a Varies tier, but Surtur becomes stronger whenever he gets closer to the Eternal Flame (Thor Vol. 1 #353), even when he’s not actually in possession of it.
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That would be absorption of some sort
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Probably yes
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From what I understand, here's whats the current proposal is:
1. "Peak Skyfathers" get 2-A. These are people who scale to Odin at his peak of power. Odin gets a "Varies" tier.
2. "Normal Skyfathers" get 2-C based on Surtur's 9 Realms feat.
3. Hell Lords also get 2-C, based on either the aforementioned Surtur feat or a feat of affecting multiple spacetimes.
4. Old King Thor tier characters get "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" based on OKT fighting the Phoenix Force.
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Thank you for the summary.Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
From what I understand, here's whats the current proposal is:
1. "Peak Skyfathers" get 2-A. These are people who scale to Odin at his peak of power. Odin gets a "Varies" tier.
2. "Normal Skyfathers" get 2-C based on Surtur's 9 Realms feat.
3. Hell Lords also get 2-C, based on either the aforementioned Surtur feat or a feat of affecting multiple spacetimes.
4. Old King Thor tier characters get "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" based on OKT fighting the Phoenix Force.
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Would you be willing to help evaluate this please?
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Seems reasonable. What's behind Odin's varies? Odinsleep-related stuff?
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Essentially, yes. For the lack of a better option since he is just too inconsistent. I honestly wouldn't mind having him vary from 3C to 2A via odinsleep, but don't scale anyone from him because of how much of a mess he is.
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makes sense
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Just Odin. And Egyptian Gods avatars but I will deal with that elsewhere
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For the helllords? Nah, not right now. But you can easily find it on Thor Vol 1 Annual 14. (If that, for some odd reasons, don't work, then look at Annual 10)
I think I mistakenly cited on of his feats of Atum, gotta fix that asap
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I think I found the feat you mentioned. In Thor Vol 1 Annual 10, seven death gods merged their realms into one.
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That's the one.
I see, so it wasn't cited incorrectly on his page. Good to confirm it
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I mean I don't think anyone has issues with it, but I would like to hear what other supporters say about my Odin proposal. Essentially, nobody should be scaling to him aside from Odinforce and RKT Thor, Atum - since he upscales from every other gods and whatnot as Demorgoge, and the Destroyer Armor.
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Who was the writer again? Cause World Tree isn't always a 2A structure - depending on the writer.
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That too. Although depending on the author and how he treats the World Tree, I don't think we should disqualify it.
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Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz. But if the statement isn't enough to scale him with that's fine.
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While I don't necessarily agree, it needs to be judged case by case. Because sometimes, the feats could very well be within the same level as their current AP.
Thanks. I might look into that some time, but for now, I think we can leave that out I suppose.
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Well, I suppose that it can probably be used as supporting evidence for other, explicit, feats, but definitely not on its own.
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