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yes I understand you but I think that Confluctor refers when the Destroyer is animated by Odin or someone with a soul of immense power(For example: Loki)Yes, it seems to make sense to me as well, but I don't think tHat the Destroyer without Odin animating it should scale to his full power, unless there is good evidence available.
I have a questions about one of the listings.Confluctor/Marvel 2-C
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Why wouldn’t he scale to full power Odin? In this scan (which is listed on his profile) Odin himself says that he and base Surtur are evenly matched.Surtur_(Marvel_Comics) - his own feat of 9 realms shaking
Okay. It was obviously even stronger than Odin when it was of giant size due to being animated by the latter and all of the other Asgardians.At peak, yes
I mean if you can prove Odin was at his 2A self, sure.I have a questions about one of the listings.
Why wouldn’t he scale to full power Odin? In this scan (which is listed on his profile) Odin himself says that he and base Surtur are evenly matched.
Do you have anything better in mind?That really doesn’t seem like the most solid criteria.
I mean, not really, but we can’t really use “was he portrayed as weak or portrayed as being as powerful as he’s meant to be” as actual criteria to determine if someone scales to him. That’s pretty subjective.Do you have anything better in mind?
We can if we take the Odin sleep into factor.we can’t really use “was he portrayed as weak or portrayed as being as powerful as he’s meant to be”
That doesn't mean Odin was 2A level.Odin himself says that they’re evenly matched and Odin had to sacrifice himself to beat him (Thor Vol. 1 #353), so I think he should definitely scale to his full power
Literally nothing in the comic implies that Odin was weakened, either by the Odinsleep or anything else, so…That doesn't mean Odin was 2A level.
That doesn’t make sense. Odin’s Varies mechanism is based on the Odinsleep and whether he’s weakened or not, yes? If he isn’t being affected by either of those things, and that doesn’t mean he’s 2-A, then what does?But nothing says he was at 2A either... So you know.
Amen. Although I think that they know what they are doing. They either just don't care at all about logical consistency, or in some cases are even actively malevolent regarding deliberately defiling and distorting the characters and continuity in their charge as much as possible just to act as political propagandists rather than entertainers.Idk mate, take it to ******* marvel who don't know wtf they are doing.
Complicated?But how do we define what peak Odin is-
Don't know about the political stance and some such. Not only is it kind of off topic but Marvel writers have been pushing their own agendas since the 90s and maybe even longer so it's not exactly new. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing either.Amen. Although I think that they know what they are doing. They either just don't care at all about logical consistency, or in some cases are even actively malevolent regarding deliberately defiling and distorting the characters and continuity in their charge-
I mean, not really, but we can’t really use “was he portrayed as weak or portrayed as being as powerful as he’s meant to be” as actual criteria to determine if someone scales to him. That’s pretty subjective.
But in the case of Surtur, Odin himself says that they’re evenly matched and Odin had to sacrifice himself to beat him (Thor Vol. 1 #353), so I think he should definitely scale to his full power.
I think the only thing we can do is just to not scale people from Odin in general, except for a few cases. As such, we should use their other feats instead.
We need to be careful of scaling characters from varied tiered characters. It's hard to sometimes tell wtf is going on with them.
I mean, sure, but that doesn’t mean we can just slap something on the profile without any proper criteria.Idk mate, take it to ******* marvel who don't know wtf they are doing.
Odin sleep. Sure. Varied tier solved.If you can’t even define what peak Odin is and why he’s at his peak in specific moments, then we need to go back and re-evaluate the idea of giving him a Varies tier in the first place.
Ah, yes, when they can't even perform low 2c feats most of the time ,let's just slap 2a on it. Based afWhy is scaling everyone to 2-A such a problem in the first place?
Dude, it is not that simple.Odin sleep. Sure. Varied tier solved.
I haven’t once advocated for scaling everyone to 2-A, I just want some actual criteria for determining when, how and why Odin is weakened/at his peak at any given moment instead of basically just going “he’s at his peak here because the story makes him seem strong”Well, neither is scaling everyone to 2A, which is blantantly wrong in every possible way.
Because they are usually portrayed as far far weaker.Why is scaling everyone to 2-A such a problem in the first place?
This makes sense to me.The thing is, there is no proper in verse criteria aside from muh Odin Sleep. That's literally the only plausible explanation for his shit feats. He is just that bad. Whatever the **** happens to Odin, I just don't want the entire scaling chain relying on him again.