Marvel Cinematic Universe High 8-C & 8-A upgrade

[Dalesean027]

Welp see yall in tomorrow to apply

 

[Lacku]

Welp see yall in tomorrow to apply

 

[Lacku]

Welp see yall in tomorrow to apply

I think it’s been long enough

 

[Dalesean027]

Lets just make sure @Lonkitt can this be applied

 

[Lacku]

Why are Quill and Gamora 8-A shouldn’t they be 8-C?

 

[Dalesean027]

Oh this already started being applied?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why are Quill and Gamora 8-A shouldn’t they be 8-C?

Only with weapons I'm pretty sure

 

[Dalesean027]

Yeah their weapons are 8-A they are 8-C

 

[ShakeResounding]

Why are Quill and Gamora 8-A shouldn’t they be 8-C?

Through weapons iirc edit: ninja'd

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Why are Quill and Gamora 8-A shouldn’t they be 8-C?

Scaling to Abilisk and Groot, both of whom are outright 8-A.

Seems a tad bit weird imo, but eh

 

[Lonkitt]

Oh this already started being applied?

Applying time has come

 

[Lonkitt]

Its funny how Green Goblin's "higher with missiles" is still actually accurate because the explosion his missiles could produce are just barely slightly stronger than Namor's feat (literally it comes down to decimal values)

 

[Dalesean027]

Through weapons iirc edit: ninja'd

Nah they've been there from the start you can see a reply to that part from like 2 days ago

 

[Dalesean027]

Wait why was rockets durability upped to 8-A I thought he'd scale to 8-C like Quill?

Do I not know how rockets scaling works??

 

[Excellence616]

Won't this affect Quicksilver?

 

[Dalesean027]

Won't this affect Quicksilver?

It should

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Wait why was rockets durability upped to 8-A I thought he'd scale to 8-C like Quill?

Do I not know how rockets scaling works??

Abilisk scaling lol. Rocket downscales just like Gamora and Star-Lord

Won't this affect Quicksilver?

Yep, though Quicksilver was already "Varies, up to High 8-C in super-speed". I just added "at least" next to High 8-C because of Ultron

 

[Lacku]

Abilisk scaling lol. Rocket downscales just like Gamora and Star-Lord

Are we sure that they should be 8-A because of that though? Their weapons should scale sure but idk about their base power

 

[Dinobot1996]

I'm neutral on scaling all the Guardians to 8-A physically, considering Drax and adult Groot generally seemed to be portrayed as being stronger than the rest, but it is true that Star-Lord took a couple hits from the Abilisk and Gamora did break Groot's vines, so...

At bare minimum, Rocket's energy shields should have 8-A durability for withstanding his explosives going off at close range.

If we are keeping 8-A physically for the Guardians, I'm assuming we'd probably have to dismiss Iron Spider withstanding being kicked by Star-Lord in Infinity War.

 

[KLOL506]

WHERE THE HELL IS 8A scaling coming from

 

[Dinobot1996]

It wasn't what I was expecting to wake up to, that's for sure.

 

[KLOL506]

Again, 8-A is weapons only and Full-Size Groot. Everything else is 8-C.

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, I was under the assumption this revision meant giving the Guardians 8-C ratings while 8-A applied to any relevant weaponry

 

[Popted2]

about the high 8-C ones someone has to remove a lot of Cap AMerica matches from his profile since its locked

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Are we sure that they should be 8-A because of that though? Their weapons should scale sure but idk about their base power

WHERE THE HELL IS 8A scaling coming from

It mainly comes down to Korath being able to withstand shots from Star-Lord's Quad Blasters, which could damage Ego's energy constructs, which scales to his this.

Gamora and Star-Lord scaling is because of downscaling from the Abilisk and Groot, both of whom scale to Drax, who scales Korath

Star-Lord took a couple hits from the Abilisk and Gamora did break Groot's vines

If 8-A base power is too controversial, Korath scaling to the Quad Blasters can be considered it an outlier or sth, and the Abilisk can just be a stonewall (8-A durability but 8-C AP)

 

[Lacku]

If 8-A base power is too controversial, Korath scaling to the Quad Blasters can be considered it an outlier or sth, and the Abilisk can just be a stonewall (8-A durability but 8-C AP)

I don’t think 8-A base power for characters like Korath and Drax should be outlier it just shouldn’t apply to everyone, why not just say that Star Lord being hit by the Abilisk is an outlier?

 

[RoTt35]

Star-Lord, Rocket and Yondu also survived hits from Ego's energy constructs

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

If we are keeping 8-A physically for the Guardians, I'm assuming we'd probably have to dismiss Iron Spider withstanding being kicked by Star-Lord in Infinity War.

Didn't see this. I guess we're either upgrading the Iron Spider and others who scale to him to 8-A, or 8-A GOTG physical scaling has to go

Yeah, I was under the assumption this revision meant giving the Guardians 8-C ratings while 8-A applied to any relevant weaponry

Honestly, if it weren't for Korath + all the GOTG fighting/taking hits from Abilisk and Ego, this wouldn't be an issue

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Just a question, but wouldn't Mark 2 to 5 Iron Man scale above Civil War Iron Man due to them being armors made for combat?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just a question, but wouldn't Mark 2 to 5 Iron Man scale above Civil War Iron Man due to them being armors made for combat?

Hard to say. The Civil War Iron Man armor seems like it should still have a superior arc reactor to those early armors (which had the palladium core), and the current 8-C+ rating for Mark 2 to 5 is backed up by both a 8 gigajoule (1.912 ton) statement and a calculated feat that gave results of 1.954 tons, which seems remarkably consistent.

 

[Lacku]

Honestly, if it weren't for Korath + all the GOTG fighting/taking hits from Abilisk and Ego, this wouldn't be an issue

How badly do characters like Star-Lord get hit by Ego because if it’s as egregious as with the Abilisk I don’t know what we should do. Imo I think the ratings for the Guardians should be like this:

9-C: Mantis (Jumping feat from Holiday Special) and Baby Groot

At least 9-A: Rocket (That’s the value of the explosion he withstood before the final fight in Endgame)

8-C: Star-Lord (Explosion feat), Yondu (Comparable to Star-Lord) and Teenage Groot (Killed Outriders)

At least High 8-C: Nebula (Canonically overpowered Bucky) and Gamora (Comparable to but is stronger than Nebula)

8-A: Drax (Comparable to Korath), Adult Groot (Held his own against Drax), Gamoras Godslayer (Can kill Asguardians), and the teams weaponry

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

How badly do characters like Star-Lord get hit by Ego because if it’s as egregious as with the Abilisk I don’t know what we should do. Imo I think the ratings for the Guardians should be like this:

9-C: Mantis (Jumping feat from Holiday Special) and Baby Groot

At least 9-A: Rocket (That’s the value of the explosion he withstood before the final fight in Endgame)

8-C: Star-Lord (Explosion feat) and Yondu (Comparable to Star-Lord) and Teenage Groot (Killed Outriders)

At least High 8-C: Nebula (Canonically overpowered Bucky) and Gamora (Comparable to but is stronger than Nebula)

8-A: Drax (Comparable to Korath) and Adult Groot (Held his own against Drax)

I'm pretty sure Peter should get At most High 8-C, considering he somewhat held his own against Gamora.

 

[Lacku]

I'm pretty sure Peter should get At most High 8-C, considering he somewhat held his own against Gamora.

He did survive that 8-C explosion relatively unharmed so that’d seem fair enough

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

How badly do characters like Star-Lord get hit by Ego because if it’s as egregious as with the Abilisk I don’t know what we should do.

See @RoTt35's reply above:

Star-Lord, Rocket and Yondu also survived hits from Ego's energy constructs

 

[Lacku]

See @RoTt35's reply above:

Damn I didn’t know they were links to clips, and they get hit pretty badly so idk what we should do

 

[Revan_Laha]

Agree

 

[Dinobot1996]

Imo, if the scaling is alright, it should be okay to keep the ratings. At the very least, we know that Star-Lord, Rocket and Yondu physically downscale from full 8-A Guardians, so they have "At most" next to their tiers

All that's really left here is probably making Iron Spider and those who scale to him "At most 8-A"

That could complicate things, considering it wouldn't really make sense for Doc Ock's tentacles to be a couple dozen times more powerful than regular Spider-Men in terms of AP.

 

[Propellus]

Imo, if the scaling is alright, it should be okay to keep the ratings. At the very least, we know that Star-Lord, Rocket and Yondu physically downscale from full 8-A Guardians, so they have "At most" next to their tiers

All that's really left here is probably making Iron Spider and those who scale to him "At most 8-A"

I don't agree with 8-A Spideys cause last time we had a big debate on it on why they shouldn't scale to Electro

 

[RoTt35]

The Guardians being 8-A is consistent, if something should be deemed as an outlier is Spider-Man enduring a single kick from Star-Lord imo

 

[Dinobot1996]

We'll probably also have to remove the mention of Proxima Midnight fighting Gamora in the former's profile, though that shouldn't really impact anything, considering we only saw like a second of that as a background scene.