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A shit ton of things, thoughts are among them but those can fall under mind manipulation.
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Mario and Paint: Concept Manip PART II
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Is existing as pure thought considered AE type 1?
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Yes.
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Alright thats another agreement for CM
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We need a lot of agreements for anything to happen. I think it's split
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Nope. The "color your throughts" quote is mind Manipulation.
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I know, I'm saying that paint is what makes up even abstract things.
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Where? We have all sorts of Manipulations but no concept Manipulation.
And even if it did embody AE1 things, it still wouldn't be concept Manipulation.
And there doesn't have to be an alternative to what it is, it's something that has a lot of powers, yes, but the thing is there doesn't have to be this all consuming overarching power for it.
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I'm talking about how if Paint is fundamental enough to where it makes up things with AE type 1, it would also have AE type 1. Manipulating paint in its various forms would be conceptual manipulation
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How did you get into your head that "make up Thoughts=conceptual manipulation", that's just NPI, being AE 1 yourself, and mind manipulation, also paint is just mind manipulation for that.
If that's your argument then I'm sorry but you never had a base to begin with
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I didn't even say that making up thoughts is conceptual manipulation, I said it was AE Type 1
There are characters who can manipulate paint, so its manipulating AE Type 1, which is concept manipulation.
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Non-Physical Interaction
The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm. It should be noted that the...
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That's for simply interacting with them. Not erasing, or manipulating them completely. It seems you misunderstood everything I saidNon-Physical Interaction
The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm. It should be noted that the...
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There are numerous types of AE 1, just manipulating/erasing something that's AE 1 is literally NPI+whatever that something is, and it's Mind Manipulation here.
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Can you show me where this is stated?
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Explain
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Are you playing dumb? Cause there is no reason for you not to know why a thought isn't a concept, they're two fundamentally different things, this doesn't need explaining!
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There are many types of concepts, a thought is one of them
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Thoughts are absolutely not concepts.
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They are ideas
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An idea is separated from a thought too.
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But honestly just... good lord, this doesn't need explaining, not only is every kind of AE 1 generally separated, but concepts=/=Ideas=/=Thoughts=/=concepts.
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So I guess anyone who's capable of thought now has conceptual manipulation.
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That's not even the same as like destroying them, creating manifestations that embody them or more
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I'm trying to figure out if I should be baffled while laughing or just be baffled, this is like, really obvious stuff your clearly ignorant of, or just trolling.
A thought CAN create ideas, but they are fundamentally separate.
Also, when it comes to concepts, that shit has to be stated and hopefully shown and you gotta pray it ain't able to be dismissed as flowery language.
A thought CAN create ideas, but they are fundamentally separate.
Also, when it comes to concepts, that shit has to be stated and hopefully shown and you gotta pray it ain't able to be dismissed as flowery language.
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Im asking you to prove that thoughts are fundamentally different from ideas. They are synonymous with each other
"Flowery language" is a positive claim, you'd have to prove it as well. The context also had nothing flowery in it
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An idea is like a suggestion, it can be formed from a thought, but a Thought encompasses any speaking you do in your mind, or even your dreams and what you imagine up.
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It encompasses both that an a suggestion
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buzzer where's the concept statement?
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Look up "synonyms of thought" and tell me what you see
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Synonym=/= actually being something.
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Synonyms are also just things that are compared to other things
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I already explained it before, but under no circumstances does paint have conceptual manipulation, if your questioning why... well I guess literally everyone has conceptual manipulation, I have conceptual manipulation, you have conceptual manipulation, we all have conceptual manipulation- does that sound very realistic to you?
Except in this case an idea isn't just blabbering on, there are way too god damn many things a thought COULD make that an idea just becomes lost in the waves.
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Mario can create, erase, destroy, transmute, absorb paint
Alright, name all of those things
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Paint ain't thoughts.
Did you seriously just ask me to start listing like 5 dozen things? I have better debates to partake in then a stone waller who just doesn't know how the wiki operates for what they're talking about it seems.
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Yeah, you know, mind manipulation.
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I didnt say it wasn't mind manipulation. Nobody ever said coloring thoughts was conceptual manipulation. If you still don't know what that scan is for, I suggest you scale other verses instead of Mario
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Yes it is. Your trying to get paint to be thoughts, which you think will lead to ideas, which you think then will lead to concept Manipulation. This is your entire argument in a nutshell.
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