Manga Goku and Vegeta profile revamp CRT

[Spinoirr]

Huh why?

 

[Antvasima]

So have you reached any conclusions here?

 

[Orange]

Missed this CRT, i think Vegeta's hax should change from Fusion Negation & Absorption Negation to Purification (Type 1 and 2)

No why

 

[Vietthai96]

Huh why?

You can read the Purification page, Vegeta ability is similar

 

[Spinoirr]

So have you reached any conclusions here?

That their base forms in their post black key should be not solar system level thanks to a point brought up and that we need to make explains for their keys useing the scans we have as well as makeing Moro arc keys

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. We need help from some knowledgeable and experienced members to apply this though, and not much seems to happen here.

@DarkDragonMedeus @AKM sama @SSJRyu1 @Dominodalek

Would any of you be willing to help out here?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree keys should be split based on eras and scenarios rather than transformations. As the tier for each form should be listed within each key. I'm unfamiliar with the Manga versions compared to the Anime versions, not sure if that version has zenkais being massive to the point where we notice each key's base form surpasses the strongest form of the previous key which is prominent in the Anime version. But the idea of separating them with BoG saga, U6 saga, ToP saga ect is still something I agree on.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you. That seems fine to apply then.

 

[Dominodalek]

I'm afraid I would be of little help here, I am relatively unfamiliar with the DBS manga.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is unfortunate.

 

[BlackeJan]

This probably won't affect their powers and abilities section however we need to talk about what tier their base forms should be after the "post Goku black arc training" key

I mean they DID absorb their SSG into their base form given the "promotional" Revival of F manga

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I unfortunately cannot do anything if we don't get any knowledgeable volunteers.

 

[Spinoirr]

We have the scans for BoG to ToP now we need to add the keys and talk about their base forms later in a different crt

 

[InfiniteCosmology]

The deconstruction feat for Goku is in the resistance part for some reason so that will need to be fixed too

yeah

 

[BlackeJan]

I mean they DID absorb their SSG into their base form given the "promotional" Revival of F manga

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyways can the keys be added as we will make a separate CRT for their base forms

 

[Antvasima]

What statistics do you intend to add, and what would they be based on?

 

[Spinoirr]

"solar system level (Believed he could defeat Super Perfect Cell and possibly contend with Kid Buu with Super Saiyan alone), At least Multi-Galaxy level with ssj god and blue (Capable of shaking the universe as well as eventually destroying it, however, the exact time frame is unknown and super Saiyan blue is stronger then that and fought against golden freiza)

That's his frist key aka the BoG-RoF key

Second key aka universe six tournament

Solar system level (Trained in the time chamber For three years and gotten stronger in that time), At least multi-galaxy level with ssj god and blue (Goku was stated to be stronger then hit who easily beat Vegeta in blue due to blue draining vegeta's stamina making him unable to use even 10% of ssj blues usual strength when he battled hit)

Yeah now for the post black arc training key

Vegeta's post black arc training key
"At least solar system level (his base form should be stronger then that of goku's as he trained in the time chamber and took a beating from a suppressed god zamasu), at least multi-galaxy level with ssj god and blue (Gotten stronger then ssj rosè Goku black when before black beat him in ssj blue)"

For goku's
At least solar system level (Lived attacks from a suppressed god zamasu that was ment to kill trunks), at least multi-galaxy level with ssj god and blue (Goku was able to blast a hole though a off guard god zamasu and his mastered ssj blue form Battled on par with god zamasu)

Now we need to use the ToP scans to make a ToP key for Goku and Vegeta

 

[Antvasima]

@DarkDragonMedeus @AKM sama @Dominodalek @SSJRyu1

What do you think about this?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think the stuff Spinoirr laid out looks fine, except I think the URLs for the Discordapp related links appear to be broken. Might need to check and fix those.

 

[Spinoirr]

Yeah the new links are in the other post

 

[Spinoirr]

First Batch: (I can't send them all at once)

Goku vs Cell Image Training

Goku and Beerus' clashes

Goku and Vegeta training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber

SSJB Goku and SSJB Vegeta Training

SSJG Goku vs Hit

Whis explains why SSJG Goku is stronger than SSJB Vegeta

Please tell me if a link doesn't work.

Second Batch:

SSJG Vegeta vs Goku Black

Vegeta Overpowers Black

Goku explaining what Vegeta is doing

Vegeta and Black Stand-Off

Goku uses the Kamehameha on Fused Zamasu

Goku protects Trunks and the others

Vegeta says Goku has Completed Super Saiyan Blue

SSJB Goku vs Fused Zamasu

Please tell me if a link doesn't work.

Here are the first batch ToP scans:

Vegeta perfects Super Saiyan Blue

Vegeta states that he and Goku are equals

Goku about to punch Toppo

Goku loses to Toppo

Toppo stating that Jiren is stronger than their God of Destruction

Vegeta about to finish off Frieza

Goku finishes off Frieza

SSJB Goku vs Jiren first fight

Tell me if a link doesn't work.

Here's the second batch:

Vegeta faces Toppo

Goku powers up

Goku manages to hit Jiren

Vegeta powers up

Toppo gets blown back by Vegeta's power

Vegeta's new form

Jiren acknowledges Vegeta

UI Omen Goku vs Jiren begins

UI Omen Goku vs Jiren

Jiren powers up

MUI Goku punches Jiren

MUI Goku kicks Jiren

Please tell me if a link doesn't work.

These are the images used for the profiles that need to probably be put into imagur by someone

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I would also appreciate further community help here.

 

[Spinoirr]

Bump

 

[SamanPatou]

Everything is fine, the wording just needs to be polished a little bit, but I can't do it at the moment, I suggest to ask other DBS Chou supporters.

I disagree with scaling base and ssj forms to tier 3 due to comparison with Black, his body is the same as Goku's but we have seen that it works differently and we shouldn't assume his power ups and forms have the same strength as Goku and Vegeta's.

 

[BlackeJan]

I mean they DID absorb their SSG into their base form given the "promotional" Revival of F manga

!!!!!

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I mean they DID absorb their SSG into their base form given the "promotional" Revival of F manga

I thought that was primarily an anime related thing.

 

[Spinoirr]

Goku sensed vegeta's god ki in base in the latest chapter soooo

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Goku sensed vegeta's god ki in base in the latest chapter soooo

I see.

 

[Spinoirr]

Also dende while healing Goku in base said his power has reached the power of the gods meaning it is harder to heal him

They even brought this up in the FT arc

 

[Spinoirr]

We need someone to add this

 

[Antvasima]

If you write a list of the members who have responded to this thread previously, I can send a notification to them afterwards.

 

[Spinoirr]

ZoroNotZolo, BlackeJan, SamanPatou, DarkDragonMedeus, Vietthai96, orange, BetterThanYou, Cosmic_King_of_SAO, Rez, Peter1129

 

[Spinoirr]

Oliver_de_jesus, Mister6ame6, Fastestthingalive50, Gilad_Hyperstar, Brak, Mr.Cinos15, LuckyEmile, sageof8paths and Theglassman12

 

[Braking]

i have been summoned



anyways what do you need?

 

[Spinoirr]

the wording just needs to be polished a little bit and we need to make ToP key for Goku and Vegeta using the scans above as well as a BoG-RoF Vegeta key and a universe 6 tournament key for Vegeta as well

 

[Antvasima]

@ZoroNotZolo @BlackeJan @SamanPatou @DarkDragonMedeus @Vietthai96 @Orange @BetterThanYou @Cosmic_King_of_SAO @Rez @Peter1129 @Oliver_de_jesus @Mister6ame6 @Fastestthingalive50 @Gilad_Hyperstar @Mr.Cinos15 @LuckyEmile @sageof8paths @Theglassman12

Your further help with this thread would be appreciated.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I agree with this. SSJ Goku black defeated SSB Vegeta, and afterwards, Vegeta overpowered SSR Black by using the God to Blue switch

Super Saiyan Rose is mentioned many times to be equivalent to Super Saiyan Blue, as this is the result of a god in a saiyan body combining Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan

So if: SSB Vegeta >> SSR Goku Black, SSJ Vegeta would be >> SSJ Goku Black >> SSB Vegeta (Pre-Training) = 3-B