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Majora's Mask Link base upgrade

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Even regular sunlight has been shown to activate switches similar to those, the Light Arrows power alone isn't what's causing it but rather just the nature of it generating pure light. I know magic and physical scales to each other as far as Link and Ganon, but Princess Zelda is actually a glass cannon. Plus, that's composite Zelda and even that's treated as glass cannon.

But I'm willing to consider the Low 5-B upgrades for the four bosses legit.
 
I'm now neutral about this. Dark Dragon, all the other characters don't scale from the Termina stuff.

This thread aims to scale Link and Majora to the ToC, and the Bosses to the Giants.
 
Can you show where regular sun light causess the world to flip? Princess Zelda hasn't been shown to tank her own magic which is the reason why. Her WW self should at least be rated higher regardless as she could tank a hit from Ganon.
 
I didn't directly mean it quite like that, but the switchings that cause the Earth to flip are treated the same way as other switches seen in both the same templed and in Gerudo temple from Ocarina. In which switches are activated by pure light. Also, Ganon was kind of holding back when he slapped Zelda in WW.
 
Ok... why does this matter though? Mirror shield is used in this temple yet it's not used to flip the earth and only used to make blocks dissapear. Gerudo temple having a similar switch and said switch not flipping the earth only goes to show the light arrows are a different beast and it's power is what's causing the earth to flip.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I didn't directly mean it quite like that, but the switchings that cause the Earth to flip are treated the same way as other switches seen in both the same templed and in Gerudo temple from Ocarina. In which switches are activated by pure light. Also, Ganon was kind of holding back when he slapped Zelda in WW.
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False. Only the Light Arrows can trigger the jewel.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Even regular sunlight has been shown to activate switches similar to those, the Light Arrows power alone isn't what's causing it but rather just the nature of it generating pure light.
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We have a direct quote from the game stating otherwise.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Also, found this:
"If you shoot that which releases the sacred golden light into the blood-stained, red emblem outside the temple... it shall rearrange things, in which the earth is born in the heavens and the moon is born on the earth." - Garo Master

So we have a description from the game itself, although vague, of what implies to hit the jewel on the tower.

Coupled with the effect of seeing it outright flip, there is really no other explanation of what happens.

The tower flips, and along with it, the planet, as we see the skies upside down (even the moon is there), the "ground" on top of Link.
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"Chain reaction"; possible, but unlikely. The Garou Master states that it is the jewel itself which "rearranges things, in which the earth is born in the heavens and thd moon is born on the earth". With the visuals, we see that he meant that the planet gets flipped.

The jewel is powered by the Light Arrows, so they are the energy that triggers the flip.
 
So, since we established Giant Scaling to the bosses, we can move on to the Giant's Mask: it's descriptions states that it grants the power of 'a' Giant, however, only the four are known to inhabit Termina.

Triforce of Courage should honestly be dealt in another thread, since it does make a bigger issue.

And I'm still neutral about that. ovo
 
Sorry for replying so late, I was busy.

I'm extremely unsure about scaling the giants to the bosses as sealing is hax and not AP. Nothing in the game even remotely implies that them sealing the giants is a feat of strength, which while not necessary to prove it's AP, would have surely helped.

About the "flipping the planet" feat, as DDM said, there's also the possibility of the feat being done by the jewel and that the Light Arrows are just needed to activate it. Overall, it's a very shaky feat, so I'm against using it.

Lastly, simply having the Triforce of Courage isn't enough to bump Link to High 5-A. Link in TP had it for basically the entire game and wasn't High 5-A till the end, WW Link who had it got stomped by Ganondorf, OoT was still High 6-C even after obtaining it.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
About the "flipping the planet" feat, as DDM said, there's also the possibility of the feat being done by the jewel and that the Light Arrows are just needed to activate it. Overall, it's a very shaky feat, so I'm against using it.
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Disagree 100%, already debated why.

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And don't worry for being late xP The thread is mostly bare bones anyway. ovo
 
Just a minor note, it looks like the characters being upgraded to 6-B was moved out of the way. And yeah, it most games, it's usually the ToC and the Master Sword together that make Link scale from Ganondorf, not just ToC but there are variations. The reason Adventure of Link scales is because he appears to be a stronger Link where he didn't really need the Master Sword and/or the Magical Sword is the Master Sword but didn't have the official name according to some theories (We don't use fan theories, but the former would be true if this isn't). And he has both ToW and ToP making him stronger than Ganon.

Anyway, I'm still iffy on treating Stone Tower Temple as a planet flip. If we're going to treat it as a flipping feat of some sort, it would more so just be gravity manipulation or flipping just the tower; flipping the planet 90 to 180 degrees won't actually change the gravity. Flipping the tower on the other hand would make more sense for him to walk on the walls/ceiling though; but I doubt such a calc would get good results.

But as mentioned above, me and Dark649 said we were both neutral on whether or not the 4 temple bosses could scale from the 4 giants.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
Sorry for replying so late, I was busy.
I'm extremely unsure about scaling the giants to the bosses as sealing is hax and not AP. Nothing in the game even remotely implies that them sealing the giants is a feat of strength, which while not necessary to prove it's AP, would have surely helped.

About the "flipping the planet" feat, as DDM said, there's also the possibility of the feat being done by the jewel and that the Light Arrows are just needed to activate it. Overall, it's a very shaky feat, so I'm against using it.

Lastly, simply having the Triforce of Courage isn't enough to bump Link to High 5-A. Link in TP had it for basically the entire game and wasn't High 5-A till the end, WW Link who had it got stomped by Ganondorf, OoT was still High 6-C even after obtaining it.
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Magic in Zelda almost always translates to power, if they can't break the seal that means that the bosses would at least have to scale to them. Nothing in the game remotely implies it? You mean how the giants are kept locked up and incapable of saving their domain due to them and them being seen as serious threats? Triforce I'm not asking this to invalidate your point but, have you played Majora's Mask?

I already explained why that's not the case. Read above.

I already explained this too. You're repeating yourself. Link in TP having it through most of the game is irrelevant because the Hero's Shade profile is High 5-A due to that. "Possibly Dwarf Star level (Comparable or superior to Twilight Princess Link early on in his adventure, though this was prior to him facing Ganondorf or Zant. It is also implied that the Hero's Shade is itself the spirit of a past incarnation of Link; its full power is unknown)" WW Link got stomped by Ganondorf yes, but he survived attacks from him and I already explainned why he got stomped by Ganondorf, ToC does not make Link stronger than Ganondorf, it makes him slightly weaker or on par with him. So a Link that's outright made to be one of the more ill-experienced versions would get stomepd by a Ganondorf with 100s of years of experience. I don't know where you got High 6-C OoT with ToC from, that's a pure assumption.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Anyway, I'm still iffy on treating Stone Tower Temple as a planet flip. If we're going to treat it as a flipping feat of some sort, it would more so just be gravity manipulation or flipping just the tower; flipping the planet 90 to 180 degrees won't actually change the gravity. Flipping the tower on the other hand would make more sense for him to walk on the walls/ceiling though; but I doubt such a calc would get good results.
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The gravity thing was already debunked.

The game doesn't support it, outright states that the earth and sky would be rearrange, we see the thing flip.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Just a minor note, it looks like the characters being upgraded to 6-B was moved out of the way. And yeah, it most games, it's usually the ToC and the Master Sword together that make Link scale from Ganondorf, not just ToC but there are variations. The reason Adventure of Link scales is because he appears to be a stronger Link where he didn't really need the Master Sword and/or the Magical Sword is the Master Sword but didn't have the official name according to some theories (We don't use fan theories, but the former would be true if this isn't). And he has both ToW and ToP making him stronger than Ganon.
Anyway, I'm still iffy on treating Stone Tower Temple as a planet flip. If we're going to treat it as a flipping feat of some sort, it would more so just be gravity manipulation or flipping just the tower; flipping the planet 90 to 180 degrees won't actually change the gravity. Flipping the tower on the other hand would make more sense for him to walk on the walls/ceiling though; but I doubt such a calc would get good results.

But as mentioned above, me and Dark649 said we were both neutral on whether or not the 4 temple bosses could scale from the 4 giants.
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The Master Sword is what helps him defeat Ganon, as the ToC again makes him slightly weaker on comparable too. The Magical Sword isn't the master sword, literally no guide ever confirms that it was retconned into that. The magical sword is it's on sword. No, he's High 5-A due to beating Ganondorf with the triforce of wisdom, NOT for wielding both. Wielding both applies to his Adventure of Link form.

It's not flipping the tower, again you're attempting to apply real life physics to a verse that doesn't care about that refer to the sun's song video I applied that would cause global catastrophe or how if Ganon moved the blood moon the way he did he could cause floods, etc. Most people you'd walk up to and ask them "What would happen if the world flipped?" Would think they would fall off the planet unless they've paid attention/stuidied in actual physics classes. No it's most definietely flipping the earth, everything in the game implies/shows that, you literally see the night sky upside down while traveling in the temple, the Garo master refers to it as "rearranges things, in which the earth is born in the heavens and thd moon is born on the earth" etc.
 
Boy, Majora's Mask is my favorite piece of fiction ever. Obviously I know that they're sealed away and that the bosses are the "lock" of said sealing, but the Giants getting sealed away simply means they don't resist sealing.

High 6-C Ocarina of Time Link comes from the fact that he struggled against the High 6-C bosses he had to fight. Same for Twilight Princess Link, and the Hero's Shade's justification comes from the fact that the last time you meet him is right before the fight against Zant.
 
Well based on how the Stone Tower temple flip is portrayed, it literally does imply that people fall off the earth if it were to flip; which obviously it doesn't. Also, that's literally how it only works from within the Stone Tower Temple. Sure you see sky become the new pit and all that, but it's still a perspective that only applies from within the Stone Tower Temple.
 
Of course it doesn't. It's a game. ovo

"Only works from within the temple"

Naturally. That's the dungeon. Imagine programming it into the overworld.

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I'll re-state: Game states what happens when you hit the switch with the arrow implying planetary rearrangement. We see the tower flip when said switch it's triggered, and then indeed, the earth and sky are inverted. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Debating this has been going into circles, most of the arguments against it not taking into consideration the quote explaining it along with the showing of it. There is a flip on which "the earth and sky" are rearranged, triggered by a switch powered by Link's magic arrows.
 
So I won't make this into a blog unless it's generally agreed that the planet flipping stuff is legit, but doing a rough calc it would come out to about 143 Ninatons (More than triple what we currently accept for the High 5-A characters).
 
I'm wondering because "it doesn't imply strength" makes no sense when each of the 4 bosses are seen as huge threats especially be giants. That'd at least somewhat imply strength.

Why are the bosses High 6-C? The High 6-C feats are as usual, from what I see done casually. So I don't see why this isn't basic powerscaling. Hero Shade's justification quite literally says "(Comparable or superior to Twilight Princess Link early on in his adventure)". I don't see why TP Link wouldn't be High 5-A either, his bosses high 6-C feat is done via a roar.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Well based on how the Stone Tower temple flip is portrayed, it literally does imply that people fall off the earth if it were to flip; which obviously it doesn't. Also, that's literally how it only works from within the Stone Tower Temple. Sure you see skie become the new pit and all that, but it's still a perspective that only applies from within the Stone Tower Temple.
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So we're going to deny the Garo's word himself basically saying the earth gets flipped and add a bunch of assumptions to assume it's only the temple?
 
I will change the Hero's Shade justification since he is above Link until their last fight, the other eog bosses [before Zant] will scale to the 6-B stuff.

Hero Shade: A sword wields no strength unless the hand that holds it has courage. You may be destined to become the hero of legend...but your current power would disgrace the proud green of the hero's tunic you wear. You must use your courage to seek power...and find it you must. Only then will you become the hero for whom this world despairs.
 
He didn't say he'd be downgraded, only that the justification was going to be changed around. He said Argorok and the others will be 6-B.
 
Anything else to discuss? If not, I believe Dust Collector can go ahead and make the blog.

And I know is gonna get debated anyway.
 
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