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[Warren_Valion]

@Warren
He is stating the opposite: that Zant didn't teleport Link, but warpped the area.

Edit: As in, he summoned a sun in the place because he felt like it. ovo

I am pretty sure Zant just pulled a Star Trek with their Holodeck and made the environment the different places of Hyrule through simple illusions.

What's the proof that he, in fact, made a sun?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

@Warren
He is stating the opposite: that Zant didn't teleport Link, but warpped the area.

Edit: As in, he summoned a sun in the place because he felt like it. ovo

This^

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Also, the quote said itself, "it only glows when he's in the Twilight Realm due to being a mini sun in place of the sunless area." If Zant actually created another sun, then the Master Sword would have stopped glowing completely. It's not an assumption, but just a fact.

Show the direct quote.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

I am pretty sure Zant just pulled a Star Trek with their Holodeck and made the environment the different places of Hyrule through simple illusions.

What's the proof that he, in fact, made a sun?

Because Zant's entire thing falls under warping and he has never before hand shown illusions on that scale.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Warren

I don't know. I don't support the feat. ovo

 

[Warren_Valion]

The feat from what I've read was Zant warping the area, not teleporting them.

The "Darkness" that is the reality of the Twilight Realm is what makes the Master Sword glow after being infused with the Sol lights - if Zant warped the area, he's changing that reality, and thus, logically the light on Master Sword shouldn't glow, but it does glow - thus implying that the reality we are seeing is just an illusion.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Show the direct quote.

"The Master Sword infused with light. In the Twilight Realm, it shines with golden light." — N/A (Twilight Princess)

 

[Warren_Valion]

Because Zant's entire thing falls under warping and he has never before hand shown illusions on that scale.

Zant hasn't shown reality warping on that scale either - I don't see your point.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I'm also against the feat now. It's not a pocket dimension because the Master Sword is still glowing, and if he actually warped the Twilight Realm, if what Dragon said about it always being dusk in Hyrule Castle, then he didn't warp the sun.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Yeah, I have to disagree too. Welp.

It's a combination of things, really. It requires a couple of assumptions not really (directly) supported by the fight. Along with the sword thing, is pretty unlikely. Adding the Hyrule Castle stuff? It's just not reasonable to assume otherwise.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Zant hasn't shown reality warping on that scale either - I don't see your point. The "Darkness" that is the reality of the Twilight Realm is what makes the Master Sword glow after being infused with the Sol lights - if Zant warped the area, he's changing that reality, and thus, logically the light on Master Sword shouldn't glow, but it does glow - thus implying that the reality we are seeing is just an illusion.

Look on the first comment in this thread for context of his RW, he was warping the twilight realm and light realm. His illusion creation is quite literally just false duplication.

Also the direct quote was asking for was this, "it only glows when he's in the Twilight Realm due to being a mini sun in place of the sunless area."

Also, no... that's not even remotely accurate. Him warping it wouldn't make the master sword not gloww because of a sun appearing unless it's been shown beforehand that the master sword immedieatly de-glows when any small bits of light appear. It's still a dark-realm with a sun in the sky.

 

[Konaguna]

Illusion? Are you being serious? Please don't tell em you're actually serious.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

He never warped Light World during the battle.

 

[Konaguna]

WHAT are you taking about?

 

[Dark649]

Are just the pots and walls being tangible really enough to prove that all of that was too?.

 

[TriforcePower1]

It probably wasn't an illusion, but given that they're still in the Twilight Realm and that it's always Dusk, Zant probably never manipulated the sun.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Also the direct quote was asking for was this, "it only glows when he's in the Twilight Realm due to being a mini sun in place of the sunless area."

Also, no... that's not even remotely accurate. Him warping it wouldn't make the master sword not gloww because of a sun appearing unless it's been shown beforehand that the master sword immedieatly de-glows when any small bits of light appear. It's still a dark-realm with a sun in the sky.

He was clearly paraphrasing, the quote says that only within the Twilight Realm is the Master Sword able to glow with the Sols Light.

And yes, it is. Changing the reality around himself and Link to match that of the reality in the Light world would stop the MS from glowing because the reality of the Light World is one in which the MS doesn't glow.

What? There is no sun in the sky of the Twilight Realm. There light comes from the Sols that illuminate the realm of Twilight.

"That shining sphere illuminates this world. It's called a Sol. It's like the sun of your world, Link." — Midna (Twilight Princess)

 

[Konaguna]

How the **** do you harm an illusion? You realize Zant got hurt in the fight? He wasn't panting he was wounded and he got wounded inside this "illusion" as you call it.


Seems legit, totally an illusion, also coupled with the fact Link has to use items to actually adjust to environment

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

I'm not really going on with this but I posted my stance above and it still stand but the sky is different of that of the Twilight Realm the Sol Orb stuff can be dropped and here you can see the actual sun in the fight

 

[Dust_Collector]

Two boxers can punch each other in the face numerous times without killing each other, but they still hurt each other. And I was on the thread regarding Pocket Reality feats; I'm well of pocket Realities containing stars in the sky. But there was no star in the sky; I watched the video again and the sky was just a yellow sky resembling the Twilight Realm's sky which has no sun.

So I decided to check several videos of this just to be sure and yeah you're right, there's not actually a visible sun in the Zant battle from what I can find.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

But I just....

 

[Dust_Collector]

Thwres several spots in the sky with that same glow as the image you posted.

 

[Konaguna]

I disagree with it being an illusion but I also disagree with it being a realm warped by him or whatever it was likely teleportation

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

So I decided to check several videos of this just to be sure and yeah you're right, there's not actually a visible sun in the Zant battle from what I can find.

 

[Dark649]

Zant might be able to bring real things alongside illusions with it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

No one said Zant was or the pots were illusions, only the backgrounds. But Warren mentioning Holodecks make sense as it produced an illusory sun as well as real steeps/hills. Also, that circle in Oblivion's picture looks like the same color as the sky not covered by clouds. Twilight Realm has a bright yellow sky and dark clouds with colors seen in the image.

Also, it still said, the Master Sword only has the glow when in the Twilight Realm; which it glows during the battle with Zant proving they're in the Twilight Zone and possibly debunking they teleported to the Light World. But at the same time, the reason the Master Sword Glows is due to the darkness of having no light. But if Zant were to create a sun, that would mean there is light and the Master Sword should've stopped glowing; which isn't the case.

 

[Dust_Collector]

@Oblivion may I ask where did you find that specific image? Because I just took these screenshots of both the orignal and hd remake of the game and neither one shows a visable sun like that. Just brighter streaks of yellow sky that be viewed at every angle in multiple spots during the fight.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Can you prove that it is an illusion as saying it is like a holodeck is not a really strong counter as more evidence points to it not being an illusion as many items in the realm are physical and it would be far more reasonable to assume that they all are physical.And the Twilight Realm sky looks far different from seen from the image and that is very obviously a sun

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually, that image was simply angled to make it look like a sun; but as Dust has shown in his images that. It was just a yellow sky adjacent to some clouds all along.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

This is going on reptition, doubt any side iss going to accept a stance by this point and I'm getting pretty sick of being called "only accepting this due to fanservice" or some dumb stuff, can we find a middleground that makes this simpler?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Here's some more screenshots showing it just to be a yellow sky with clouds.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

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DarkDragonMedeus"]
Actually, that image was simply angled to make it look like a sun; but as Dust has shown in his images that. It was just a yellow sky adjacent to some clouds all along.

Dust picture has nothing similar to what I just showed in the SS.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Here's some more screenshots showing it just to be a yellow sky with clouds.

Weird how none of these yellow sky pics look like the one oblivion is pointing out that outright shows a sphereical shape.

 

[Konaguna]

Ohhhhh Jesus Christ y'all complicate shit too much.

Just say it was teleportation, why ya arguing about what that shape look like?

Ain't Zant nowhere near the level you want him to Ben so it pointless, teleportation one thing that actually makes sense and doesn't destroy the tiering.

 

[Dust_Collector]

My forst two screenshots are from the same scene oblivions screenshot came from, and wouldn't ya know it neither of them show a clear sphereical shape. I can even link videos of the videos I took the images from so you can see for yourself.

And the point of the 2nd set of images was to show that more sections of the sky other than the one from oblivions image was bright yellow.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Twilight Realms sky in general is weird like that; it has that sort of hazy effect where clouds move randomly in all sorts of places and parts of the sky gleam more than other parts. And also, that's not really a prefect sphere and looks more like a Gibbous moon.

Also @Konaguna, there's no need to be so hostile and I don't think Fandom considers breaking the third commandment very appropriate.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Weird how none of these yellow sky pics look like the one oblivion is pointing out that outright shows a sphereical shape.

When Zant has his little freak out when he loses you can catch a glimpse of the sun

 

[Warren_Valion]

How the **** do you harm an illusion? You realize Zant got hurt in the fight? He wasn't panting he was wounded and he got wounded inside this "illusion" as you call it.

Seems legit, totally an illusion, also coupled with the fact Link has to use items to actually adjust to environment

The surrounding area would be the illusion, not Zant himself.

Where did you get that notion?

 

[Konaguna]

Sorry, but I just can't stand this pointless arguing, it's like we're trying to set a potency without having the basis for it

 

[Dust_Collector]

Orignal versio (6:56 mark), Zant has his little freak out when he loses and there's no clear spherical shape like in the screenshot. HD remaster (10:56 mark), same scene as before, still no clear sun like shape like before.