Major Mortal Kombat Revision, Part I

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I'm a bit confused with the low tiers here. Should they be 9-A only or At least 9-A? People agreed with the former but I'm also seeing the latter in this forum.

 

[Antvasima]

Please tell me here which members that I should send notifications to regarding your question.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Preferably DDK, DDM, and Hellbeast, but anyone who's still watching this thread is welcome.

 

[Antvasima]

I'm a bit confused with the low tiers here. Should they be 9-A only or At least 9-A? People agreed with the former but I'm also seeing the latter in this forum.

@Dante_Demon_Killah @DarkDragonMedeus @Hellbeast

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm not sure since I'm not entirely certain where the "At least" is based on.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I saw it somewhere around this thread, but the question is: should the low tiers be 9-A or At least 9-A? I personally think they should be the former, but what do you think?

 

[Hellbeast]

9-A is best

 

[DaReaperMan]

9-A is good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose a plain 9-A makes sense then.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Thanks guys. Good thing I made Shang's revisions as 9-A

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

By the way, this thread seems to be concluded now. Should we close it or nah? All we need to do is to apply the changes.

 

[Antvasima]

Let's wait until after all of the changes have been applied. That is our standard practice, for safety reasons.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Yes, my exams will end this wednesday, if you guys can wait until there, I appreciate

It's good to keep open since during the changes, new questions can appear

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Speaking of changes, do you think that Raiden should have Cosmic Awareness?

In MK11, he mentions that the location of Kronika's Keep is unknown, further stating that it is "beyond the realms" and has proven to be beyond his sight as well. This implies that he can somehow look for something by scanning through the realms with his "sight", which isn't quite a stretch when he was able to tell that Sonya and Jax's presences aren't in Outworld anymore (the former left to recover with Jax)

He uses this same sight to locate Kronika's Keep, but seems to be unable to as it's somewhere beyond the realms, implying that he had to look everywhere just to find it. Plus realms are more than just planets, they seem to extend to solar systems as stated by Ed Boon in an interview (he might be wrong about this one, but there's no doubting the size of a realm in MK)

 

[KLOL506]

Speaking of changes, do you think that Raiden should have Cosmic Awareness?

In MK11, he mentions that the location of Kronika's Keep is unknown, further stating that it is "beyond the realms" and has proven to be beyond his sight as well. This implies that he can somehow look for something by scanning through the realms with his "sight", which isn't quite a stretch when he was able to tell that Sonya and Jax's presences aren't in Outworld anymore (the former left to recover with Jax)

He uses this same sight to locate Kronika's Keep, but seems to be unable to as it's somewhere beyond the realms, implying that he had to look everywhere just to find it. Plus realms are more than just planets, they seem to extend to solar systems as stated by Ed Boon in an interview (he might be wrong about this one, but there's no doubting the size of a realm in MK)

Speaking of which, wouldn't the shaking of Earthrealm be 5-A then, assuming that the realms are a full Solar System? Shaking a solar system was calc'd to be in the 5-A range. Oddly consistent with Cetrion's Fatality.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

The calc that was originally made for that Earthrealm shaking feat was Low 6-B, since we all assumed it was a planet. Now that feat is part of Midway canon, not NRS canon. So we can't use that unfortunately, plus there's a lack of timeframe when that happened.

 

[KLOL506]

The calc that was originally made for that Earthrealm shaking feat was Low 6-B, since we all assumed it was a planet. Now that feat is part of Midway canon, not NRS canon. So we can't use that unfortunately, plus there's a lack of timeframe when that happened.

I see. Well, it's unfortunate.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Anyways, what about the original question I was asking about?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Also, I just realized we haven't gotten to a conclusion with the mid tiers speed. Here's what I think they should be.

Mid tiers who actually fought high tiers: Geras is a good example of this. He reacts to Raiden charging towards him, manages to harm him, and blocks an attack from both Fujin and Shang (both magical and physical attacks). He still loses to low tiers, but there's no denying his other feats. Their ratings in speed would be: Peak Human movement speed (Normally runs this fast) with Hypersonic+ reactions (Sub-Zero's explosion dodging), likely Massively Hypersonic+ reactions (Raiden's lightning, Shinnok reacting to and blocking it)

Mid tiers who somewhat scale on par, but slightly below high tiers: Nightwolf is another example. He only scales to high tiers because he beats people who beat them (Geras) and has feats of being on par with those guys, but doesn't seem to do much damage to them (Sindel and Cetrion). Nevertheless he isn't overwhelmingly weaker and doesn't get casually defeated by any of the top tiers he's faced. Their ratings: Peak Human movement speed (Normally runs this fast) with Hypersonic reactions

Other input is appreciated

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I made the Hourglass' profile, useful for people who can use its powers

 

[KLOL506]

The calc that was originally made for that Earthrealm shaking feat was Low 6-B, since we all assumed it was a planet. Now that feat is part of Midway canon, not NRS canon. So we can't use that unfortunately, plus there's a lack of timeframe when that happened.

Anyway, it would then apply to Midway Canon, yeah? Would still be dope.

 

[Hellbeast]

Anyway, it would then apply to Midway Canon, yeah? Would still be dope.

It was an arcade ending so no

 

[KLOL506]

It was an arcade ending so no

well ****

 

[KLOL506]

I think I can probably help out with the editing (Mostly with regards to properly linking the calcs to the profiles). Can anyone give me a list of the profiles that are to be edited?

 

[Antvasima]

@Ecstasy_Amphetamine

I think that I noticed some editing structure errors that I informed you about via your wiki message wall yesterday.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I think I can probably help out with the editing (Mostly with regards to properly linking the calcs to the profiles). Can anyone give me a list of the profiles that are to be edited?

I can't really be specific but you should only edit MK characters who have appeared in NRS games. Refer to the games' respective rosters as a guide.

I'm doing Shao Kahn's profile right now, but you can start with Shinnok's ratings while I deal with his powers & abilities.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I think that I noticed some editing structure errors that I informed you about via your wiki message wall yesterday.

Yes, I saw them. Sorry if it's wrong but I sometimes don't see my mistakes until I finish editing. Also I haven't updated ratings in a while so this still feels new to me.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem, but you still need to correct the mistakes that I illustrated in future edits, as I do not have enough free time to fix all of them for you after all of your edits.

 

[KLOL506]

I can't really be specific but you should only edit MK characters who have appeared in NRS games. Refer to the games' respective rosters as a guide.

I'm doing Shao Kahn's profile right now, but you can start with Shinnok's ratings while I deal with his powers & abilities.

So I'll just bring back Shinnok down to High 8-C? Aight.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

To be specific, At least High 8-C, likely far higher (which is At least Large Building level+)

I think he has a speed calc in his profile, so you can fix the link to that one.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem, but you still need to correct the mistakes that I illustrated in future edits, as I do not have enough free time to fix all of them for you after all of your edits.

 

[KLOL506]

To be specific, At least High 8-C, likely far higher (which is At least Large Building level+)

I think he has a speed calc in his profile, so you can fix the link to that one.

Understood. What would his new AP justification be then? Or should I just replace all his keys with High 8-C?

also his calc link is fine, that one follows the editing guidelines.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I can start the changes now aswell, is there anything else to talk about ?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

To be specific, At least High 8-C, likely far higher (which is At least Large Building level+)

I think he has a speed calc in his profile, so you can fix the link to that one.

That seems a bit too much no ? Raiden is just High 8-C+, Shinnok doesn't scale that much above him

His regular fallen key, that is

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Because all of Shinnok's feats are casual

He easily beats Raiden and Fujin with a simple wave of his amulet, seems to have no effort in absorbing two gods into his amulet (Raiden visibly struggles to seal its owner with it), oneshotting everyone that doesn't have an affinity for destroying people's nutsacks.

When Raiden took away and absorbed the Jinsei inside Shinnok that made him into his boss form, he was weakened by that, which allowed Raiden to torture and decapitate him afterwards. Not to mention that Raiden's High 8-C feat didn't kill him, not because of his immortality, but he simply survived that.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Okay then

I also fixed Sub Zero and Scorpion

Grandmaster Sub Zero was just High 8-C (Needs At least 9-A first) and Scorpion didn't had his scaling to Sub Zero's Hypersonic+ feat

I'll add the revisions to the profile not yet edited

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Speaking of Shinnok, is there any mention of him being weaker in his current state? Being a fallen god doesn't make him weaker, it could be that he just lost his position among the Elder Gods.

 

[KLOL506]

I updated Shinnok's profiles and merely replaced the tiers with High 8-C while keeping the keys as they are. Should it be fine?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

I guess it shouldn't make him weaker, no real statement about that

About Kahn, I should keep 2 keys right ? One for regular, the other for his invasion when he was amped by souls (High 8-C | At least High 8-C)

He fough a amped Raiden and easily took a hit from him without even moving