Mafioso VS Deliquent

[RoggerReggor]

I'm gonna leave other things to Deku but I'm just gonna answer this. Mikey pretty much stated that he would not let Izana hit him if he doesn't want to get hit so that's that.

Mikey's so unreliable as a dialogue sayer after he said that he could beat 20000 people that I don't believe any words coming out of his mouth. Draken already said that Mikey was at his peak strength at the moment he was fighting Izana, and sorry, my version says that Mikey said "You are starting to miss.", and lol, Izana was kicking Mikey while Mikey had to use his punch, kicks generally are faster but land slower than punches due to the effort needed to do them, Mikey using his punches here which he rarely uses proves it. And in the rest of the fight after it, Izana just ends up getting mentally disturbed and so thirsty to kill Mikey that he picks up a gun.

 

[Dinozxd]

It is. Imagine it like this: You are in a rush battle, you are in a gun fight at a proximity. Whenever shooter does stuff, you are dead, so predicting that counts as analytical prediction as well.

Doesn't explain how Dazai got beaten by Chuuya just cuz of the physical difference between them even though he could read his movements and how it's literally stated that Dazai can predict his movements just because he knew him for a long time.

In fact, predicting moves is a much easier thing than predicting any bullet. I don't myself know why was I even arguing this.

It's not about predicting moves and predicting bullet trajectories. It's about predicting bullet trajectories and predicting Mikey's kicks. Hanma literally needed Inhuman Kinetic Vision just to percieve Base Mikey's kicks in the first place and he literally got blitzed when he fought aganist DI Mikey lol. You don't need Abnormal Kinetic Vision to aim dodge bullets. Please don't present speed equalization for a counter to this because Attack Speed doesn't get equalized.

"which doesn't work like that" is what you focus on bud, not the "speedstomped" part. And by speedstomped, I don't recall when Dazai actually got speedstomped lol

Your reply literally means that "Dazai's analytical prediction doesn't work when the opponent is faster and stronger than him." which applies to this battle too.

Oh, you are saying that. I just said it because you guys were pausing Dazai's durability at 486 kJ which is not like that hehe.

The same goes for Dazai's durability lol. You can't make a Town Level Dura character vs a Wall level AP character. Either way, Dazai's dura is not 7-C at his profile so it doesn't matter.

It isn't irrelevant. The part of the reason why Yoriichi won against Gon was this exactly lol.

I don't really care about other matchups.

His analytical prediction for Chuuya requires some prep because come on, Chuuya is basically much faster than Dazai, while Mikey isn't.

This is a speed equalized matchup so Dazai's speed doesn't matter and yes Mikey is faster than Dazai through Reactive Power and Higher Attack speed lol. Pretty obvious.

This feat... I am not going to say anything F.

I don't understand.

Dazai should be at tier 7 or 8 durability according to what I said above, but ok, that's good to hear that Mikey actually has a pinky finger of chance lol.

Mikey still gets AP stomped if Dazai is Tier 7 or 8 bruh. Mikey being 2 or 3 MJ rather than 1 MJ doesn't change that. Like i said above though, Dazai isn't 7-C yet and his Wall level key is used in this matchup so no.

Dazai has martial arts advantage upon his continuous experience and him learning from just seeing various people, "as he stated with Chuuya", lol.

Mikey has experience about fighting different oppoenntd too, especially aganist characters with Enhanced Vision, Good Hand to Hand Analytical Prediction and ******* Future Vision with only his Reactive Power and Attack Speed.

Doesn't mean that. You have read COTE so you would know that Manabu is confirmed to have dans above black belt in both Karate and Aikido, something exact like that is exactly what I want for his martial arts qualification.

Mikey when he was 6 kicked a bottle cap off a sealed water bottle at his first try which requires crazy precision. I think this proves Mikey is not a standard martial artist.

Mikey's so unreliable as a dialogue sayer after he said that he could beat 20000 people that I don't believe any words coming out of his mouth.

This can't be a unreliable statement as Izana literally corrects him in the third scan i sent.

my version says that Mikey said "You are starting to miss.",

Your version also shows Izana saying "Having this much power even in such a bad state?". Which changes the context of Draken's statement to "Mikey is using all the power in a bad state" which doesn't equal to his full power.

I also don't understand why we are debating this as Izana's profile states that Izana was able to land hits on Mikey who wasn't going all out. All the things you are presenting here are considered as assumptions.

 

[DekuGlazer]

Bro stop kidding now. Why do you feel like your reasons suffice or your reasons weren't correctly countered? LOL. I am not going to give conclusions to everything but Zetsu pretty much settled you.

If you scroll through the thread none of my arguments were answered by zetsu. I typed descriptive paragraphs and all he did was use strawman fallacies then somehow the votes change with no new evidence provided against my claims, which still has not occurred.

Nah I said it because you thought that "Dazai never showed ability to predict his opponents without memorizing their habits" which is blatantly false. Dazai's profile states that he has a keen adaptability in which he basically adapts to a character's attack pattern, nothing like he cannot predict them without any muscle memory on them. And come on, why do I need to provide scans to prove something "made up" false when it's already on their profiles?

Nowhere on his profile does it state anything about adaptability to fighting style against opponents he hasn't met. The first link leads to him again saying and I quote. "I've known you for a long time I have a keen sense of YOUR(meaning Chuuya alone) methods, YOUR timing- every one of your moves. If i didnt I could never be YOUR partner". Which is directly all specific and directed to his relationship with Chuuya. This is a random encounter fight. He knows nothing about Mikey to have a keen sense of anything dealing with his fighting. You are ignoring this very specific detail. His analytical prediction is limited and it should be adjusted on his profile or proven otherwise.

Cut off "I believe". In a rush battle, the opponent hands move at a very great speed. It is at a proximity. I don't think I need to explain this unless you cannot really imagine him putting this into a H2H.

What does even mean? Dazai grabbed his wrist. The speed is equalized. If Dazai grabs Mikey, the same can be said for Mikey who can grab him back and has the significant advantage and will overpower him in close combat since Dazai likes to grab his opponent to create openings. This point cannot be refuted.

This is not "invalidating the thread", many people in various threads need to state this stuff because you know, character's AP and durability are not always calculated to their best.

None of this matters when the match was created with his AP/Durability for this fight is 486kj which is 2x less than Mikey. You cannot try to switch it in the middle of the fight now that you see he has a disadvantage. The match just should have never been created or Dazai should be 7c instead of 9B. Otherwise my points still are valid.

My bro, Mikey is significantly faster than Takemichi. Takemichi is of the similar height as Mikey, so it was of course. Dazai is a 6 feet guy who is much taller than Mikey. We saw him clearly trying to disarticulate South so I am saying that he would struggle against a tall guy.
And no, Mikey is not much faster than Dazai here, they are literally equals. So, anything you say doesn't make sense when Dazai can actually just get rid of Mikey when he's trying to disarticulate him. LS doesn't really matter here much unless they start Armwrestling all of a sudden.

This point is hilariously wrong ngl. For one Mikey actually did break South's arm which is why you see the bruise on his arm and its dangling in the next panel after. South is 7'1. An entire foot taller than 6ft. Taiju Shiba is also 6'5. Height advantage has never been a factor for Mikey even against opponents bigger and physically stronger than Dazai. Dazai has no way to "get rid" of Mikey if he dislocates his arm. Grabbing his wrist is apart of LS and superhuman LS is significantly lower than Class 10 there is no way for him to "get rid" of someone who can easily hold him down with strength.

Ok, I will.

• Predicted which hand the shooter was using by just looking at the mark on his chin.
• Has a better experience of fighting in rush than Mikey with opponents who are as fast as him or are much faster than him. Iirc, Mikey has no experience fighting the guys who are as fast as him. The only time we see him doing is against Izana and he really got his body served in that.
• Can adapt to a fighter's moves. Against Chuuya he could predict almost all of his moves because they had been partners for years.

Neither of these bullet points show background training for martial arts, hand to hand combat statements or anything that proves his skill level and hand to hand experience is better. Your second bullet point isn't even a fact it's opinionated which is why you didnt even provide a scan for it. It doesn't even apply to this fight since speed is equalized. Also, I hope you know with the last scan you tagged this also proves my first paragraph response when i stated he only can predict moves of people he has prior knowledge or history with. You even in your bullet point says "Against Chuuya he could predict his moves because they have been partners for years"...... emphasis on BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PARNTERS FOR YEARS. You made my point without even realizing it.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Doesn't explain how Dazai got beaten by Chuuya just cuz of the physical difference between them even though he could read his movements and how it's literally stated that Dazai can predict his movements just because he knew him for a long time.

Nah, Chuuya is faster than Dazai, that's why the only conclusion Chuuya could arrive at was him predicting his movements. Come on, don't try to debate about how a character needs to fully analyze his opponents every time despite it being already said that he just hones those abilities and it's not a restriction.

It's not about predicting moves and predicting bullet trajectories. It's about predicting bullet trajectories and predicting Mikey's kicks. Hanma literally needed Inhuman Kinetic Vision just to percieve Base Mikey's kicks in the first place and he literally got blitzed when he fought aganist DI Mikey lol. You don't need Abnormal Kinetic Vision to aim dodge bullets. Please don't present speed equalization for a counter to this because Attack Speed doesn't get equalized.

Oh god, that's when Mikey gets into DI and gets his attack speed increased. Under speed equalized, all the speeds of attacks, reactions, combat are equalized, DI is a debate as it is a stats amp, which is not going to work as Dazai has NLH.

Your reply literally means that "Dazai's analytical prediction doesn't work when the opponent is faster and stronger than him." which applies to this battle too.

How about you read it better in a good way like "Dazai needs to memorize attack patterns when his opponents are significantly faster than him" as I don't really think "stronger" means anything? Secondly, speed is equalized uhhhh.

The same goes for Dazai's durability lol. You can't make a Town Level Dura character vs a Wall level AP character. Either way, Dazai's dura is not 7-C at his profile so it doesn't matter.

I don't really care about other matchups.

Yoriichi vs Gon was a matchup and the primary reason of Gon losing was Yoriichi being much higher than where he was placed, so yes, it applies to this battle as well.

This is a speed equalized matchup so Dazai's speed doesn't matter and yes Mikey is faster than Dazai through Reactive Power and Higher Attack speed lol. Pretty obvious.

Reactive Power = Nullified
Attack Speed = Equalized
Now what?

Mikey still gets AP stomped if Dazai is Tier 7 or 8 bruh. Mikey being 2 or 3 MJ rather than 1 MJ doesn't change that. Like i said above though, Dazai isn't 7-C yet and his Wall level key is used in this matchup so no.

Yeah, that's it. You finally understand that Mikey actually gets stomped here lol.

Mikey has experience about fighting different oppoenntd too, especially aganist characters with Enhanced Vision, Good Hand to Hand Analytical Prediction and ******* Future Vision with only his Reactive Power and Attack Speed.

Every next person in Bungou Stray Dogs has massively higher perception which allows them to even dodge bullets. And wait, it wasn't downgraded for characters being controversial to dodge bullets as it is pretty much said that bullets are kind of ineffective in the verse.

Mikey when he was 6 kicked a bottle cap off a sealed water bottle at his first try which requires crazy precision. I think this proves Mikey is not a standard martial artist.

Ok, Dazai predicting the fighter's arm is still a massively better feat. Plus, I remember doing this and I still can, pretty much most of the kids around me can, it took me around 2 days.

This can't be a unreliable statement as Izana literally corrects him in the third scan i sent.

TR is a complicated verse for a reason. The characters somehow near each other APs, Taiju could make Mikey knocked for a while with his 100%, Draken could make Mikey fall. It doesn't matter if Mikey makes Izana fall as like every time, Izana quickly got up.

Your version also shows Izana saying "Having this much power even in such a bad state?". Which changes the context of Draken's statement to "Mikey is using all the power in a bad state" which doesn't equal to his full power.

LOL, Izana is basically complimenting him while being much casual, it's obvious by seeing Izana's face that he can do better. Plus, we already know Izana is better than Base Mikey and it has been argued as well, Morris and Arnold even agreed to it.

I also don't understand why we are debating this as Izana's profile states that Izana was able to land hits on Mikey who wasn't going all out. All the things you are presenting here are considered as assumptions.

Bro changed colors and immediately disagreed with Morris' scaling chain which puts Izana on the same level as Base Mikey which he himself agreed with. Alright, I won't argue, not like it matters anyways. You still cannot prove whether Mikey has experience fighting opponents who even have comparable speed to him while Dazai basically has, with Akutagawa.

 

[RoggerReggor]

If you scroll through the thread none of my arguments were answered by zetsu. I typed descriptive paragraphs and all he did was use strawman fallacies then somehow the votes change with no new evidence provided against my claims, which still has not occurred.

So you are just pissed how your people are not getting in agreement with your arguments and are basically doing the exact opposite of what you want them to do? Sounds right.

Nowhere on his profile does it state anything about adaptability to fighting style against opponents he hasn't met. The first link leads to him again saying and I quote. "I've known you for a long time I have a keen sense of YOUR(meaning Chuuya alone) methods, YOUR timing- every one of your moves. If i didnt I could never be YOUR partner". Which is directly all specific and directed to his relationship with Chuuya. This is a random encounter fight. He knows nothing about Mikey to have a keen sense of anything dealing with his fighting. You are ignoring this very specific detail. His analytical prediction is limited and it should be adjusted on his profile or proven otherwise.

Breh, Dazai has analytical prediction feats with Akutagawa and Atsushi as well. If you had really "read the manga and anime", you wouldn't have argued. Secondly. Chuuya's stuff doesn't matter. I have said it multiple times now that Chuuya is faster than Dazai and is also stronger, so the only way Chuuya sees Dazai somehow keeping up with him is to predict him. And Dazai said that he adapted with Chuuya's fighting style over the years, nothing like he needs to spend an entire time with them.
Now, I am an LN reader, so here's an Analytical Prediction scan for Akutagawa (and also a probably massively hypersonic+ thing but eh). Akutagawa recognized Dazai and Dazai negs him in every way, even in battle IQ. This can be seen in their various fights between them.

What does even mean? Dazai grabbed his wrist. The speed is equalized. If Dazai grabs Mikey, the same can be said for Mikey who can grab him back and has the significant advantage and will overpower him in close combat since Dazai likes to grab his opponent to create openings. This point cannot be refuted.

Dazai is not going to grab Mikey. That's very less in terms of probability. Who said Dazai will grab Mikey? He will hit him.

None of this matters when the match was created with his AP/Durability for this fight is 486kj which is 2x less than Mikey. You cannot try to switch it in the middle of the fight now that you see he has a disadvantage. The match just should have never been created or Dazai should be 7c instead of 9B. Otherwise my points still are valid.

I didn't switch it at the middle of the fight, I just remembered that you can use that. Also, I like how you adding arguments is defending but me adding arguments is counted as switching to prevent disadvantages, wow.

This point is hilariously wrong ngl. For one Mikey actually did break South's arm which is why you see the bruise on his arm and its dangling in the next panel after. South is 7'1. An entire foot taller than 6ft. Taiju Shiba is also 6'5. Height advantage has never been a factor for Mikey even against opponents bigger and physically stronger than Dazai. Dazai has no way to "get rid" of Mikey if he dislocates his arm. Grabbing his wrist is apart of LS and superhuman LS is significantly lower than Class 10 there is no way for him to "get rid" of someone who can easily hold him down with strength.

South had to be attacked by Mikey and then by grabbed. Secondly, disarticulation is not something only Mikey can do. Disarticulation, for one isn't LS dependent lol, but this doesn't say that Dazai is going to do that either. Seeing how smart is Dazai, he will not LET Mikey grab him.

Neither of these bullet points show background training for martial arts, hand to hand combat statements or anything that proves his skill level and hand to hand experience is better.

It literally does. His training for martial arts is through the Port Mafia which I don't need to prove. Hand to hand combat statements again I don't need to prove as he has around 8 years of experience as a criminal, while all Mikey has is like 3-4 years of experience. Secondly, waiting for you to send actual Mikey battle IQ feats. And yes, these were battle IQ feats, which is deeply related with skill.

Your second bullet point isn't even a fact it's opinionated which is why you didnt even provide a scan for it.

Bro I legit don't need to provide scans for him having rush battles, that's all Port Mafia is about, even Higuchi does that.
Secondly, this verse is not much researched for scans by me, I just happen to be aware about it after reading it before some years, so I might not be able to provide with scans superfast but Zetsu might be.

It doesn't even apply to this fight since speed is equalized.

Exactly.

Also, I hope you know with the last scan you tagged this also proves my first paragraph response when i stated he only can predict moves of people he has prior knowledge or history with.

Bro why are you turning a bling eye on everything I type before and then just go on with your points and read the scan with those eyes of yours? Like it has become annoying now.

You even in your bullet point says "Against Chuuya he could predict his moves because they have been partners for years"...... emphasis on BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PARNTERS FOR YEARS. You made my point without even realizing it.

Bro I am not even making your point bruh. I have said it that Chuuya is much faster and stronger than Dazai, so the only way he has more wincons against him is through prediction of moves and he just said that he used up that experience. Bro forgets what I wrote before.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Why is Mikey being so overrated for his battle IQ here? All he has is his grandpa's statement with no confirmed professional training mastery or application. He's not Yoriichi level lol.

 

[Dinozxd]

Nah, Chuuya is faster than Dazai, that's why the only conclusion Chuuya could arrive at was him predicting his movements. Come on, don't try to debate about how a character needs to fully analyze his opponents every time despite it being already said that he just hones those abilities and it's not a restriction.

Mikey is both faster and stronger than Dazai in this matchup bruh.

Oh god, that's when Mikey gets into DI and gets his attack speed increased. Under speed equalized, all the speeds of attacks, reactions, combat are equalized, DI is a debate as it is a stats amp, which is not going to work as Dazai has NLH.

You know NLH requires direct contact right? It's not like Dazai can nullify it every time he wants. Mikey will just figure out he can power null with contact so he will just avoid contact and slowly wear him down lol. Also, assuming that Dazai can touch Mikey is really weird as he probably can't even see Mikey's kick cuz Mikey will literally start in DI and Dazai's Reaction speed will be much slower than DI Mikey's Attack Speed.

Reactive Power = Nullified
Attack Speed = Equalized
Now what?

I explained above how DI Mikey can just blitz Dazai as he starts in DI form.

Ok, Dazai predicting the fighter's arm is still a massively better feat.

Not a martial art knowledge feat. It's just Observation.

Plus, I remember doing this and I still can, pretty much most of the kids around me can, it took me around 2 days.

Very believable. I used to beat 550 gang members just like Mikey too

TR is a complicated verse for a reason. The characters somehow near each other APs, Taiju could make Mikey knocked for a while with his 100%,

That just means Full Power Taiju partially scales to Base Mikey's dura (even 50% Taiju upscales from Suppresed DI Mikey cuz Takemichi stated that the punch he took from Taiju was on a whole another level than the hits he took including Suppressed DI Mikey) and Mikey stated that he took that punch on purpose and oneshotted him right back lol i don't understand what's so complicated.

Draken could make Mikey fall.

In multiple hits and again, Mikey took those hits on purpose.

It doesn't matter if Mikey makes Izana fall as like every time, Izana quickly got up.

What? I'm not even talking about that. He states that Mikey had the speed to dodge and counter Izana even though he was getting beaten by him. This shows how Mikey was holding back.

LOL, Izana is basically complimenting him while being much casual, it's obvious by seeing Izana's face that he can do better.

You're misunderstanding my points. Focus on the "Bad state" part, bud. Izana states that Mikey was in a bad state.

Plus, we already know Izana is better than Base Mikey and it has been argued as well, Morris and Arnold even agreed to it.

I don't agree and the scaling chain was never accepted.

Yeah, that's it. You finally understand that Mikey actually gets stomped here lol.

Any character with thousands of AP difference would stomp Mikey and Dazai lol.

Every next person in Bungou Stray Dogs has massively higher perception which allows them to even dodge bullets.

Speed equalization

And wait, it wasn't downgraded for characters being controversial to dodge bullets as it is pretty much said that bullets are kind of ineffective in the verse.

I don't understand how this statement is power scaling related at all and i never said Dazai was slower than bullets. This is a speed equalized matchup so i don't understand how that effects this as well. Also just so you know, Dazai needing to use his speed to dodge bullets literally means that his Analytical prediction is worthless lmao. Thank you for proving me right.

Bro changed colors and immediately disagreed with Morris' scaling chain which puts Izana on the same level as Base Mikey which he himself agreed with.

I never agreed to Morris's scaling chain and i even told Morris that i never did as well. I only said Izana should be comparable (but inferior) to Base Mikey for being able to dominate a Mikey who was holding back.

Also, I would like it if this discussion was about stuff that was actually accepted by staff and on the character's profiles cuz it's getting annoying. Base Mikey is faster than Izana even though Izana has Hand to Hand Analytical Prediction and Dazai is not 7-C.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Mikey is both faster and stronger than Dazai in this matchup bruh.

Speed gets equalized the moment he touches Dazai because of Power null

You know NLH requires direct contact right? It's not like Dazai can nullify it every time he wants.

He can nullify it any time he wants as long Mikey or himself touch each other

Mikey will just figure out he can power null with contact so he will just avoid contact and slowly wear him down lol.

How? You think Dazai isn't smart enough to create a strategy to beat him?

Not hard considering Mikey is stupid compared to Dazai

Also, assuming that Dazai can touch Mikey is really weird as he probably can't even see Mikey's kick cuz Mikey will literally start in DI and Dazai's Reaction speed will be much slower than DI Mikey's Attack Speed.

Once again, Analytical prediction + Information analysis

Mikey attacks are slower than bullets

There is no Dazai will get touched by Mikey

I explained above how DI Mikey can just blitz Dazai as he starts in DI form.

Analytical prediction + information analysis + power null from direct contact

Not a martial art knowledge feat. It's just Observation.

Observation that works as Analytical prediction

Very believable. I used to beat 550 gang members just like Mikey too

Don't see how that is better than demolishing entire groups of mafia and bandits full of guns mixed with some skill users who have super powers

You are overrating Mikey way WAY too much here

Speed equalization

Not his analytical prediction though

I don't understand how this statement is power scaling related at all and i never said Dazai was slower than bullets.

Yet you are saying Dazai can't even evade supersonic attacks which are way slower than machine guns who travel at supersonic+ with his analytical prediction alone

Also, I would like it if this discussion was about stuff that was actually accepted by staff and on the character's profiles cuz it's getting annoying. Base Mikey is faster than Izana even though Izana has Hand to Hand Analytical Prediction and Dazai is not 7-C.

You are saying Izana's Analytical prediction is better than Dazai which also isn't true based on what is said on both profiles

There is no such thing as hand to hand analytical prediction and bullet analytical prediction, You are just saying this to make Mikey win with abilities you are creating out of nowhere

 

[RoggerReggor]

Bruh this is going in circles, Dazai can intentionally nullify Mikey's dark impulses as they are literally actually visible to everyone. Secondly, do not debate about how Mikey has even near the amount of battle IQ or skill Dazai has, Mikey is plainly above average in battle IQ with being genius in martial arts which is a very specific thing while Dazai is overall a genius and Zetsu himself said that he might have supergenius scans for Dazai. Battle IQ is not a debate here in any way, neither is martial arts because both have near the same level of narratives and Dazai has higher experience.
Secondly, AP difference is not really mattering seeing how Dazai has analytical prediction. He could predict avoid attacks from Akutagawa. Against Chuuya, I don't know why are peeps even trying to argue that Dazai can only predict the moves of the opponents of which he has experience of dealing with, because what Chuuya said is completely being misinterpreted and being used against Dazai despite it being consistent with his other prediction feats, albeit not always in battle but predictions are joined by a small line on both the sides.

I am not going to debate this anymore and this was indeed a summarization. Secondly, Dazai's actual durability is way higher than his current durability and it's a fact, you cannot objectively imagine Dazai losing when that's the case, his profile doesn't have it mentioned but the "at least" implies that his current AP and durability is much higher than that and there's no rule which says that you cannot mention it or not use it, you can always use it unless the feats displaying APs and durability higher than that aren't that significantly high but here they are, so Dazai objectively wins this by far.

 

[RoggerReggor]

And also, NLH would restrain Mikey for a moment, forgot to say but that's the moment Mikey probably falls and loses eventually hehe.

 

[RoggerReggor]

But still, I don't want to get a tag of "someone who didn't defend", so I will just make this one for one last time.

Mikey is both faster and stronger than Dazai in this matchup bruh.

He isn't. Mikey isn't going to outright blitz Dazai as discussed with Zefra, so forget about debating this one. Secondly, any physical tough from Mikey or Dazai would just nullify Dark Impulse, often resulting in characters being restrained. Secondly, we know that Mikey loses track once he is out of DI, so, it only makes it even worse.

You know NLH requires direct contact right? It's not like Dazai can nullify it every time he wants.

Once it is, it is, lol.

Mikey will just figure out he can power null with contact so he will just avoid contact and slowly wear him down lol.

Dazai has higher stamina than Mikey, so it's Mikey who gets worn down, not Dazai. All Mikey has is his near peak human statements of beating 500 men.

Also, assuming that Dazai can touch Mikey is really weird as he probably can't even see Mikey's kick cuz Mikey will literally start in DI and Dazai's Reaction speed will be much slower than DI Mikey's Attack Speed.

Nice, but Mikey's DI doesn't stat amp him in an instant, Dazai will attack him at an instant.

I explained above how DI Mikey can just blitz Dazai as he starts in DI form.

He cannot outright blitz him and I have said it several times now.

Not a martial art knowledge feat. It's just Observation.

I can prove it with scans about how Dazai has basically massively higher martial arts than Mikey, but eh, it is not helping anyone win this.

Very believable. I used to beat 550 gang members just like Mikey too

I remember doing like 20000.

Jokes aside, I was just trying to point out the fact about how you are overexaggerating a bottle trick statement like it even applies to combat a bottle is a non-living thing which doesn't even have a proper form like a human body and cannot dodge attacks lmao.

That just means Full Power Taiju partially scales to Base Mikey's dura (even 50% Taiju upscales from Suppresed DI Mikey cuz Takemichi stated that the punch he took from Taiju was on a whole another level than the hits he took including Suppressed DI Mikey) and Mikey stated that he took that punch on purpose and oneshotted him right back lol i don't understand what's so complicated.

All I meant is being proved here so yeah. Secondly, Mikey taking that punch from Taiju intentionally doesn't justify his durability, he's still not much stronger than Taiju, just a bit stronger than him in AP. Mikey is much stronger than Osanai that's why his attacks were ineffective against him.

In multiple hits and again, Mikey took those hits on purpose.

lol.

What? I'm not even talking about that. He states that Mikey had the speed to dodge and counter Izana even though he was getting beaten by him. This shows how Mikey was holding back.

You're misunderstanding my points. Focus on the "Bad state" part, bud. Izana states that Mikey was in a bad state.

I don't agree and the scaling chain was never accepted.

I was only bringing that up since I thought you agreed with Morris, but yeah, do give scans for Mikey fighting against opponents of equal speed.

Speed equalization

This is the last time you overrate Mikey's DI here. He doesn't get his reactive power that fast, secondly, speed equalization affects Mikey more than it does to Dazai.

I don't understand how this statement is power scaling related at all and i never said Dazai was slower than bullets. This is a speed equalized matchup so i don't understand how that effects this as well. Also just so you know, Dazai needing to use his speed to dodge bullets literally means that his Analytical prediction is worthless lmao. Thank you for proving me right.

Just saying how Mikey doesn't have perception as high as Dazai. And apparently, Hanma could dodge Mikey as he had higher kinetic eyesight, so Dazai shouldn't be a debate.

I never agreed to Morris's scaling chain and i even told Morris that i never did as well. I only said Izana should be comparable (but inferior) to Base Mikey for being able to dominate a Mikey who was holding back.

Comparability cannot be happening simultaneously with inferiority.

 

[Dinozxd]

Speed gets equalized the moment he touches Dazai because of Power null

No way he can react to Mikey's kick.

He can nullify it any time he wants as long Mikey or himself touch each other

I'm talking about the start of the fight. There are 10 meters between Mikey and Dazai and Mikey is the one with higher Attack speed. He will just blitz and significantly damage Dazai with the AP difference. I'm not even talking about the massive LS advantage.

How? You think Dazai isn't smart enough to create a strategy to beat him?

Dazai's ability works on really specific conditions (as ı understand cuz you guys are really not helping me to understand this ability) so it's really hard to create a strategy around that.

Once again, Analytical prediction + Information analysis

Mikey attacks are slower than bullets

There is no Dazai will get touched by Mikey

Stop bringing up Analytical Prediction when I presented so many arguments and didn't get an answer from you other than "Stop downlaying"

Speed is equalized :/

Good argument lol.

power null from direct contact

You guys should explain me this ablity before I stop participating in this thread. How does this ability work exactly? Does it require physical contact by Dazai with his hand or Mikey just straight up can't touch any body part of Dazai?

Observation that works as Analytical prediction

They are not even remotely close.

Don't see how that is better than demolishing entire groups of mafia and bandits full of guns mixed with some skill users who have super powers

You are overrating Mikey way WAY too much here

I wasn't even talking about Mikey's stamina lmao go read my comment again.

Not his analytical prediction though

Analytical Prediction isn't about speed. A Subsonic character can dodge machine gun bullets with enough analytical prediciton which is something i don't think Dazai has as you guys never shared any scans (there is also no scans on his profile about that) and Dazai already has enough speed to dodge bullets lol. He doesn't need to aim dodge them. his hand to hand analytical prediction is even worse considering he got beaten by Chuuya through speed and AP difference.

Yet you are saying Dazai can't even evade supersonic attacks which are way slower than machine guns who travel at supersonic+ with his analytical prediction alone

Already explained this.

You are saying Izana's Analytical prediction is better than Dazai which also isn't true based on what is said on both profiles

Izana's profile states that he has Undefeated Senses which effects everyone ranging from characters he doesn't know, to characters he has prior knowledge about where Dazai's profile only states that he can predict movements of his opponents he has prior knowledge aganist.

You can see which character has better Analytical Prediction based on their profile.

There is no such thing as hand to hand analytical prediction and bullet analytical prediction, You are just saying this to make Mikey win with abilities you are creating out of nowhere

I explained it in detail where you couldn't counter any of my arguments lol.

 

[DekuGlazer]

So you are just pissed how your people are not getting in agreement with your arguments and are basically doing the exact opposite of what you want them to do? Sounds right.

Im not sure you understand how vsbattle threads work. In "versus thread rules" is explicitly states:
"The winner will be determined by the side having better constructive arguments, rather than one word/one sentence votes, which will be disregarded. However, one word/one sentence votes agreeing with another member's reasoning will be accepted as valid votes." According to the rules neither you, zetsu or zefra have provided any counter arguments valid for vote change. Telling me im pissed is once again another strawman fallacy. Ignoring the original point i made.

Breh, Dazai has analytical prediction feats with Akutagawa and Atsushi as well. If you had really "read the manga and anime", you wouldn't have argued. Secondly. Chuuya's stuff doesn't matter. I have said it multiple times now that Chuuya is faster than Dazai and is also stronger, so the only way Chuuya sees Dazai somehow keeping up with him is to predict him. And Dazai said that he adapted with Chuuya's fighting style over the years, nothing like he needs to spend an entire time with them.
Now, I am an LN reader, so here's an Analytical Prediction scan for Akutagawa (and also a probably massively hypersonic+ thing but eh). Akutagawa recognized Dazai and Dazai negs him in every way, even in battle IQ. This can be seen in their various fights between them.

How are you trying to say Chuuya's stuff doesnt matter when those are the scans attached to the ability that got it added to his profile? Next, why do you keep bringing up who is faster than who? This fight is equalized speed. Speed in this fight is irrelevant and shouldn't even be mentioned. "Dazai said he adapted to Chuuya's fighting style over the years. Nothing like he needs to spend the entire time with him"-- where did you get that conclusion from? Can you prove it? you cannot make this assumption without further proving it with scans. You are trying to create a narrative around something that doesn't prove what I said incorrect. He only predicts people he knows. The Akutagawa point isn't even relevant to this fight. You sent a scan from the Atsushi vs Akutagawa fight about Akutagawa predicting Atsushi. What does that have to do with proving Dazai can predict people he has never met? That scan has nothing to do with Dazai. Dazai knows Akutagawa too. Not sure what point you were trying to make.

Dazai is not going to grab Mikey. That's very less in terms of probability. Who said Dazai will grab Mikey? He will hit him.

Now you are going against Dazai's fighting habits to make false points. In the Chuuya vs Dazai fight he quite literally grabbed him and punched him in the gut after he dodged a chuuya punch. You can't just say he won't do it when he canonically does it. Thats like saying Mikey won't throw a roundhouse kick even known he was seen doing it. Also, hitting Mikey can't stop him from being grabbed either. And you have YET to make a actual debunk to prove dazai can dodge random opponents he never met to say he will dodge every mikey grab attempt

I didn't switch it at the middle of the fight, I just remembered that you can use that. Also, I like how you adding arguments is defending but me adding arguments is counted as switching to prevent disadvantages, wow.

His durability in this fight is 486kj man. Its not worth dragging the argument, goodness gracious. The only way his profile says. He gets higher is by using explosives with preparation. Just stop this extra stuff its nothing but strawman fallacies over and over again.

South had to be attacked by Mikey and then by grabbed. Secondly, disarticulation is not something only Mikey can do. Disarticulation, for one isn't LS dependent lol, but this doesn't say that Dazai is going to do that either. Seeing how smart is Dazai, he will not LET Mikey grab him.

Another assumption. Where did it state thats how disarticulation works? "Disarticulation is not something only Mikey can do"...... Okay if that is indeed the case can you show me Dazai doing it? Where did it state Dazai knows how to use it? Why do you keep making claims but cant provide actual evidence for said claims? You even sent an akutagawa ability scan to make a dazai point. You do know there is hundreds of forms of disarticulation? How Mikey broke south's arm be said to have been broken differently. But that would just be me assuming like you are. The truth of the matter is his arm was broken and nowhere did it state he had to attack him first for it to happen.

It literally does. His training for martial arts is through the Port Mafia which I don't need to prove. Hand to hand combat statements again I don't need to prove as he has around 8 years of experience as a criminal, while all Mikey has is like 3-4 years of experience. Secondly, waiting for you to send actual Mikey battle IQ feats. And yes, these were battle IQ feats, which is deeply related with skill.

"His training is through the port mafia which I don't have to prove". You do have to prove it when you make the claim he is more skilled than Mikey with an empty martial arts ability on his profile to prove his hand to hand skill level. Chuuya is also from the port mafia and does not use any specific martial arts or have any known history of it. Mikey was labeled a prodigy at age 4 and was already defeating entire gangs at that age, which is shown on his profile(unlike dazai) in this fight Mikey is 18 years old. 14 years of experience as a criminal is more than 8 years.

Bro I legit don't need to provide scans for him having rush battles, that's all Port Mafia is about, even Higuchi does that.
Secondly, this verse is not much researched for scans by me, I just happen to be aware about it after reading it before some years, so I might not be able to provide with scans superfast but Zetsu might be.

-The scans dont have to be researched by you. I didn't make a single profile or edit on Tokyo Revengers wiki but I've read both and know both of their histories which is why I repeatedly keep asking you for stuff I KNOW you can't show me, because they never happened.

Bro why are you turning a bling eye on everything I type before and then just go on with your points and read the scan with those eyes of yours? Like it has become annoying now.

You are only getting annoyed because I am firmly focusing on my main points waiting for an actual response to them rather than random stuff you keep mentioning random factors which have nothing to even do with the fight or apply.

Bro I am not even making your point bruh. I have said it that Chuuya is much faster and stronger than Dazai, so the only way he has more wincons against him is through prediction of moves and he just said that he used up that experience. Bro forgets what I wrote before.

You contradicted your own analytical prediction point by to try to make a skill/experience point and didnt realize it, and still have yet to provide any proof of this guys actual hand to hand fighting history. You claim all Mikey has is his grandpa's statements, but Dazai doesnt even have that much according to his profile that you guys took time to edit before making this matchup. So how is he a more skilled hand to hand fighter?

 

[Dinozxd]

He isn't. Mikey isn't going to outright blitz Dazai as discussed with Zefra, so forget about debating this one.

Just realised DI Mikey's Supersonic feat involves blitzing people from 11 meters away lol. Although it's a horizontal dash, it doesn't change the fact that Mikey can't perform this feat again vertically.

Secondly, any physical tough from Mikey or Dazai would just nullify Dark Impulse, often resulting in characters being restrained. Secondly, we know that Mikey loses track once he is out of DI, so, it only makes it even worse.

Why didn't you tell me this before then :/

Do you realise how much of an unfair matchup this would become on Mikey's favor if this is the case right? Mikey just gets stunned after he touches Dazai? What the hell?

I request you guys to explain this ability before we continue the debate as it makes this fight extremely unfair on Mikey's favor.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Ok, so I’m surprised no one brought this up. But Dazai in his first confrontation with Atsushi, a guy he never faced before, was able to easily predict his movements when he turned into a were tiger and nullify him before he got tagged. And getting tagged would mean instant death since he’d get one shotted

 

[Dinozxd]

Ok, so I’m surprised no one brought this up. But Dazai in his first confrontation with Atsushi, a guy he never faced before, was able to easily predict his movements when he turned into a were tiger and nullify him before he got tagged. And getting tagged would mean instant death since he’d get one shotted

His profile states that he matched Atsushi's speed lol. Speed is equalized here.

Edit: I watched the fight and Dazai just dodges Atsushi's attacks lol. That's definitely not about his analytical prediciton.

 

[DekuGlazer]

Bruh this is going in circles, Dazai can intentionally nullify Mikey's dark impulses as they are literally actually visible to everyone.

Dark impulse was never once apart of my reasoning why Mikey wins. Mikey doesnt even need it to beat Dazai based on the other 10 reasons i listed. That you still up until this point have NOT countered once

Secondly, do not debate about how Mikey has even near the amount of battle IQ or skill Dazai has, Mikey is plainly above average in battle IQ with being genius in martial arts which is a very specific thing while Dazai is overall a genius and Zetsu himself said that he might have supergenius scans for Dazai.

Intellectual ability does not help him in a hand to hand fight. His hand to hand BIQ has never proven to even help him win fights. He isn't even the best hand to hand fighter in BSD

Battle IQ is not a debate here in any way, neither is martial arts because both have near the same level of narratives and Dazai has higher experience.

How is martial arts not a debate when you have yet to even provide scans to even prove he even uses an actual style. He is a skilled brawler. He doesnt use martial arts. Mikey is a PRODIGY. Which is more than anything we have for proof with Dazai Canically in hand to hand, which is why you have yet to show me any statements, backstories or anything that can prove his skill level in hand to hand.

Secondly, AP difference is not really mattering seeing how Dazai has analytical prediction. He could predict avoid attacks from Akutagawa.

Dazai was literally Akutagawa's mentor man ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HIM PREDICTING SOMEONE HE HAS PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF. In literally using your examples to validste my reasonings at this point, you did it again.

Against Chuuya, I don't know why are peeps even trying to argue that Dazai can only predict the moves of the opponents of which he has experience of dealing with, because what Chuuya said is completely being misinterpreted and being used against Dazai despite it being consistent with his other prediction feats, albeit not always in battle but predictions are joined by a small line on both the sides.

I am not going to debate this anymore and this was indeed a summarization.

Dude you literally just proved thats how his analytical prediction works by bringing up yet ANOTHER person he has a relationship with as your example. He knows Akutagawa.

Secondly, Dazai's actual durability is way higher than his current durability and it's a fact, you cannot objectively imagine Dazai losing when that's the case, his profile doesn't have it mentioned but the "at least" implies that his current AP and durability is much higher than that and there's no rule which says that you cannot mention it or not use it, you can always use it unless the feats displaying APs and durability higher than that aren't that significantly high but here they are, so Dazai objectively wins this by far.

Man this debate is getting bad now. You do realize Mikey is ALSO "At least 9B" and has a higher AP than what you use due to the feat being done with bad footing/balance. Bro please stop this, i already won this debate a long time ago. At this point you just dont want to admit you're wrong.


You and Zetsu accused people of downplaying Dazai yet thats all you have been doing this entire thread while not providing the proof needed to prove the character you're choosing even can compare or invalidate any claims that i have of his analytical prediction. Mikey wins this fight.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Dazai FRA

 

[DekuGlazer]

Overall my mind still has not been changed or my points have not been refuted. I stated before Mikey wins this fight. Lets start with wincons:

AP: Mikey
Durability:Mikey
Speed:Equalized
Lifting Strength: Mikey
Hand to hand Stamina: Mikey
Hand to hand Experience: Mikey
Hax: Mikey
IQ/BIQ: Dazai

-Mikey is the better overall and more versatile skilled fighter since no history of Dazai was ever provided so I assume it doesn't exist and that Mikey is the better martial artist.
-There was never any context or extra feats for proof provided to override my Analytical Prediction point
-Dazai's Analytical Prediction is limted to people he know and won't work in a random encounter fight with Mikey.
-Has faced higher level hand to hand Analytical Prediction users who have abnormal senses, kinetic vision, and future foresight.
-Speed is equalized so any speed based point is irrelevant in this fight.
-Mikeys lifting strength advantage will give him the advantage everytime since he can grab, slam + mount, then use ground and pound without Dazai being able to free himself.
-No Longer Human is irrelevant in his fight because Mikey does not need Dark Impulse to beat him.

 

[DekuGlazer]

Dazai FRA

For you to say "Dazai FRA" that would mean my points have been refuted. If you scroll above there was nothing for you to be in agreement with that i didnt refute for you to say "Dazai FRA". There was never even a reason listed for how he would even put Mikey down permanently. Im starting to think all of you guys know each other and have a plan in place since no one can refute my claims but somehow voting.

 

[DekuGlazer]

Ok, so I’m surprised no one brought this up. But Dazai in his first confrontation with Atsushi, a guy he never faced before, was able to easily predict his movements when he turned into a were tiger and nullify him before he got tagged. And getting tagged would mean instant death since he’d get one shotted

No way you just tried to use dazai dodging a wild tiger lunging at him as validity for analytical prediction? Where does it state anywhere that he said "i can read all of your attacks"? That is literally just him dodging a tiger

 

[Dinozxd]

The vote count says 4-4 but I am still having trouble figuring out where the points for Dazai were made for his votes to he tallied after going back through the thread. As me and @DekuGlazer stated multiple times Dazai has not shown the level of analytical prediction to predict random opponents and the mention of the Tiger is invalid because that is just a wild tiger attacking, and he didnt even mention any thing about reading the Tiger attacks. All 4 votes are not valid according to versus thread rules. Which states: "The winner will be determined by the side having better constructive arguments, rather than one word/one sentence votes, which will be disregarded. However, one word/one sentence votes agreeing with another member's reasoning will be accepted as valid votes."
Dazai's votes were counted from fallacy arguments without proof of his level of Analytical Prediction being more than prior knowledge based and the other arguments such as lifting strength weren't addressed either.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

AP: Mikey

Sure considering we still have to add more calcs for the verse

Durability:Mikey

Sure considering the AP

Speed:Equalized

Yeah

Lifting Strength: Mikey

True

Hand to hand Stamina: Mikey

Hell no

What, You telling me getting hit by a pipe and defeating 500 people is somehow better than Getting tortured and beated for days only to by the end of all that start laughing as if nothing happened?

Defeating entire groups of mafia/Bandits full of guns and skill users who have super powers with 1 attack?

Regularly thrashing high tiers like Akutagawa daily, The same who can also predict moves and still gets no diffed by Dazai?

And also getting shoted by a sniper and stabbed by a poisoned knife

Hand to hand Experience: Mikey

No way in hell

Dazai was know as the youngest executive and one of the dangerous ones capable of doing the things above casually and even made them tremble in fear the moment they knew Dazai was coming for them

Also thrashed on a daily basis Akutagawa who is a mafia high tier

Hax: Mikey

No?

How is DI gonna do any good when he gets nullified and stunned by no longer human?

IQ/BIQ: Dazai

Yeah

-Mikey is the better overall and more versatile skilled fighter since no history of Dazai was ever provided so I assume it doesn't exist and that

Nope, I gave alot of his feats, Only for you to ignore them

Mikey is the better martial artist.

What Reggor said

-There was never any context or extra feats for proof provided to override my Analytical Prediction point

There was, You just keep invalidating them

Being capable of memorizing timing, habits, methods

Capable of perceiving the trajectories of machine guns at close range

Predicting whole arcs in advance through sheer mental calculations

Predicting what number a person is thinking through calculations

Knowing a person was using his non-dominant hand just by looking on the mark on his cheek and knew he was gonna miss the shot based on his shaking even if he was in close range

Knowing how many shoots a person will shoot based on his emotions

All of these, Just for you and Dino continously dismissing them and saying "Gun analytical prediction" which isn't even a thing

-Dazai's Analytical Prediction is limted to people he know and won't work in a random encounter fight with Mikey.

See above

-Has faced higher level hand to hand Analytical Prediction users who have abnormal senses, kinetic vision, and future foresight.

There is no such thing as "Hand to hand analytical prediction"

Akutagawa could also predict moves and yet he was regularly thrashed by Dazai on a daily basis

-Speed is equalized so any speed based point is irrelevant in this fight.

Speed equalized doesn't mean Dazai can't dodge/deflect/block

-Mikeys lifting strength advantage will give him the advantage everytime since he can grab, slam + mount, then use ground and pound without Dazai being able to free himself.

Never contested against this

-No Longer Human is irrelevant in his fight because Mikey does not need Dark Impulse to beat him.

That's the thing, Even with DI he won't be winning

 

[Amon.vl]

Im starting to think all of you guys know each other and have a plan in place since no one can refute my claims but somehow voting.

bro, you watch too many films

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The vote count says 4-4 but I am still having trouble figuring out where the points for Dazai were made for his votes to he tallied after going back through the thread. As me and @DekuGlazer stated multiple times Dazai has not shown the level of analytical prediction to predict random opponents and the mention of the Tiger is invalid because that is just a wild tiger attacking, and he didnt even mention any thing about reading the Tiger attacks. All 4 votes are not valid according to versus thread rules. Which states: "The winner will be determined by the side having better constructive arguments, rather than one word/one sentence votes, which will be disregarded. However, one word/one sentence votes agreeing with another member's reasoning will be accepted as valid votes."
Dazai's votes were counted from fallacy arguments without proof of his level of Analytical Prediction being more than prior knowledge based and the other arguments such as lifting strength weren't addressed either.

We gave our points, You both kept ignoring them and calling them invalid

 

[Dinozxd]

We gave our points, You both kept ignoring them and calling them invalid

We gave our reasoning and your only counter to it was "Stop downplaying" lol. We refuted all of your points.

 

[Zefra3011]

Zefra can't change his vote without a valid reasoning

And what if I do? there was a reason tho

EDIT: + both Yu victims

 

[XxZetsuxX]

We gave our reasoning and your only counter to it was "Stop downplaying" lol. We refuted all of your points.

You didn't, You keep saying he has something that doesn't even exist

"GuN AnaLYTical PreDICtion"

How is that refuting?

 

[Dinozxd]

You didn't, You keep saying he has something that doesn't even exist

"GuN AnaLYTical PreDICtion"

How is that refuting?

Yet you couldn't prove me wrong and kept on telling me I'm "downplaying Dazai".

I told you many times how Dazai's analytical prediciton only works when he has prior knowledge about the opponent and you still couldn't refute that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I told you many times how Dazai's analytical prediciton only works when he has prior knowledge about the opponent and you still couldn't refute that.

There ya have it, Ignoring once again everything that was said

Me and Reggor said and gave alot of his analytical prediction feats, You are just being biased towards Mikey, This is what i'm getting from you

 

[Dinozxd]

Me and Reggor said and gave alot of his analytical prediction feats, You are just being biased towards Mikey, This is what i'm getting from you

The analytical prediction feats me and deku debunked, yes.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The analytical prediction feats me and deku debunked, yes.

"Gun analytical prediction" and "Hand to hand predictions" isn't debunking anything

You didn't debunk his "analytical prediction works against people who he already knows" When clearly that isn't the case, Akutagawa who could predict moves, Was getting thrashed by Dazai on a daily basis and has predictions way better than Akutagawa and He barely spend time with him

 

[Dinozxd]

I'm just gonna write how this battle will go (Assuming NLH can nullify any ability on contact which is still a mystery as no one is explaining me how this ******* ability works):

Mikey will rush at Dazai and blitz him but his DI will be nullified on contact. Dazai will probably get a hit off but it will barely damage Mikey through the Durability difference and Mikey's high pain tolerance. He will continue the fight at his Base. Dazai has no counter to Mikey grabbing him and pinning him down to the ground htrough the massive LS difference and the fact that Dazai's Analytical Prediction not working on opponents he doesn't have prior knowledge about just makes this easier for Mikey. The fight would be pretty much over once Mikey pins Dazai to the ground as Dazai doesn't have enough LS to free himself. Mikey will pretty much give him the Takemichi treatment and win the fight in the end.

 

[Zefra3011]

I don't really see Mikey starting with that in a fight tho, I mean the LS part

 

[Dinozxd]

You didn't debunk his "analytical prediction works against people who he already knows" When clearly that isn't the case, Akutagawa who could predict moves, Was getting thrashed by Dazai on a daily basis and has predictions way better than Akutagawa and He barely spend time with him

Deku already refuted this point lol. It was already presented.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Let's see here;

He can one shot skill users who have super powers and obviously the same to groups of mafia and bandits full of guns

Is knowned and feared by mafia gangs and bandits

Akutagawa who could predict moves, Was getting thrashed by Dazai on a daily basis and has predictions way better than Akutagawa and He barely spend time with him

Here shows he can nullify abilities that touch him

Tanks hits from Chuuya, The same who can do these types of damage casually, And considering he hates Dazai with all his might, There is no reason to assume he was not holding back

 

[Dinozxd]

I don't really see Mikey starting with that in a fight tho

He starts with DI and his Supersonic calc involved him making a 11 meter dash lol. Nothing is wrong with Mikey blitzing Dazai right of the bat with Attack speed difference. It also doesn't really matter as he gets nullified and gets hit.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

He starts with DI and his Supersonic calc involved him making a 11 meter dash lol. Nothing is wrong with Mikey blitzing Dazai right of the bat with Attack speed difference.

There is something "Wrong" Which is his analytical prediction

It also doesn't really matter as he gets nullified and gets hit.

Yeah

 

[Zefra3011]

He starts with DI and his Supersonic calc involved him making a 11 meter dash lol. Nothing is wrong with Mikey blitzing Dazai right of the bat with Attack speed difference. It also doesn't really matter as he gets nullified and gets hit.

Tho supersonic is a kick in fact is attack speed, Mikey can't dash around breaking the sound barrier, + I'll probably do something about that calc ngl, I'm just waiting for the anime to show Izana and after I'll do a decent revision involving AP too but this is for another day, anyway, since it's Mikey he would try to close the distance and use his kick like he does every time at the start of a fight, Dazai will have time to nullify DI and the rest of the fight is a matter of skill and nothing else.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Tho supersonic is a kick in fact is attack speed, Mikey can't dash around breaking the sound barrier, + I'll probably do something about that calc ngl, I'm just waiting for the anime to show Izana and after I'll do a decent revision involving AP too but this is for another day, anyway, since it's Mikey he would try to close the distance and use his kick like he does every time at the start of a fight, Dazai will have time to nullify DI and the rest of the fight is a matter of skill and nothing else.

What's more fishy is the fact that hitting a car grill is somehow 1.093 MJ