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doesent it being stated to put all of the ninja on the planet under it make it planetary?
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Madara vs Mewtwo
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Not if that's because of the moon. Professor X's Cerebro doesn't make Professor X's potency galactic w/o it.
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Mehh Cal has a point at best the IT is low 5-B
The Moon simply widens the Genjutsu's range
The Moon simply widens the Genjutsu's range
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however its more a case to case basis thing, but thats what i got from the Naruto story
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"IT isn't even a win. It's completely useless here. It's not even planetary mindhax because it's boosted by the moo"
It is the first time i hear something like that.
Moon is needed for planetary range,Madara's genjutsu potency is on Planetary lvl.
It is the first time i hear something like that.
Moon is needed for planetary range,Madara's genjutsu potency is on Planetary lvl.
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Burden. Of. Proof. Show me Madara using mindhax of planetary potency without the moon and we'll talk. Range and potency enhancers normally coincide in fiction.
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usualy coincide isnt aplicable here, the moon doesent in any way make it sronger, its been stated to simply reflect it, and there is no reason to belive it does anything else
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What are you talking about?Moon is needed for planetary scale,so he can reach every single human in the planet,but he reached not only humans but animals too.If his genjutsu is only city lvl in potency how is he able to control the whole pIanets population?I don't think i have to prove something,it is just obvious.
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I agree with cal. I have seen no evidence to suggest that.
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but that does not affects the mindhaxes power, only scale, its like saying a character cant be planetary because they lack the range.
the moon does not amplify its power in any way
the moon does not amplify its power in any way
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unless there is any reason to belive the moon affets the power of the mindhax in any way, as it doesent even make sense whitin context of the verse
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Moon was never said to boost IT. You are asking us to prove a negative. The moon only increases its range which it=s what has been said, nothing more or less.
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Not to mention since when has Mewtwo ever put a planet under mind manipulation or even resisted planetary mind manipulation. You are the person that should prove it Cal.
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cal did, not you, dzhinThe real cal howard said:
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Can anyone give out scans of Mewtwo using hax during the beginning of a fight atleast 3 times. Usually mewtwo goes for physical/blast attacks in the beginning.
Not only Madara but all Uchiha use genjutsu beginning of the fight (If it works on the opponent) people like Naruto, Hashirama, Jiraiya would be exceptions.
Not only Madara but all Uchiha use genjutsu beginning of the fight (If it works on the opponent) people like Naruto, Hashirama, Jiraiya would be exceptions.
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The moon merely acts as a range-booster. The potency remains the same, as it is the IT's light that enslaves the entire planet when it is cast on the Moon.
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^To confirm what he said
Madara says the eye that "Can" reflect off the moon. Meaning he's only using it for the light to reach the entire planet. He even activates the eye before reflecting it off the moon.
Madara says the eye that "Can" reflect off the moon. Meaning he's only using it for the light to reach the entire planet. He even activates the eye before reflecting it off the moon.
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Sorry minor error
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This is the exact scenario Matt said wouldn't apply.
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then what is the issue?
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It's the same problem. This is the scenario where Matt said it wouldn't scale to if they didn't have the enhancer in question.
It's the same problem. This is the scenario where Matt said it wouldn't scale to if they didn't have the enhancer in question.
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What? That logically makes no sense what so ever. It only increases his range not the power of the mind maninpulation. I read that thread too and Matt never said anything about a situation like this. unless you can give the direct quote.
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"But in all honesty, if your Planetary / Galactic / Whatever Mind Hax is done through an amplifier, it probably won't scale to your regular Mind Hax done without so."
Amplifies his range. Planetary light wouldn't have rained down without the moon.
Again, it's what Matt said wouldn't apply.
Amplifies his range. Planetary light wouldn't have rained down without the moon.
Again, it's what Matt said wouldn't apply.
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It amplifies its range not its power or potency which is exactly the same, you are twisting his words to fit your narrative.
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Staying neutral on this matter but i'll throw this bone in.
Didnt Kaguya use IT on the world without a moon? She would have to since a moon was never present in the Naruto world until Hagoromo and Hamura specifically created and trapped the Juubi in the moon via Chibaku Tensei. That should mean Kaguya on her own can use plantery mind hax without the need of the moon. And IIRC, Madara was claimed to have been becoming as strong as Kaguya through the Juubi, so he could likely scale towards this.
Didnt Kaguya use IT on the world without a moon? She would have to since a moon was never present in the Naruto world until Hagoromo and Hamura specifically created and trapped the Juubi in the moon via Chibaku Tensei. That should mean Kaguya on her own can use plantery mind hax without the need of the moon. And IIRC, Madara was claimed to have been becoming as strong as Kaguya through the Juubi, so he could likely scale towards this.
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Either way Mewtwo mind defense has not even been shown to be anything that would block even basic occular jutsu.
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Despite using an exact quote? It's entire purpose was to serve as an amplifier. An amplifier is an amplifier in this case, regardless, because this is a case where the range affects the potency. It doesn't get spread thinner because its range increases, giving planetary mindhax.
Forget it. Madara wound even use IT mid battle anyway because the only time he used it, he flew into space to do what we were talking about.
Forget it. Madara wound even use IT mid battle anyway because the only time he used it, he flew into space to do what we were talking about.
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@Kukui. A grossly less populated planet, yes.
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The most false statement in this entire thread...Rocker1189 said:
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He would because that is literally what he did the moment he got the chance to. ANd you are right he would not need it, ordinary genjutsu would surfice since he has feats against people thagt can actually resist it.
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This is 21'a waves all over again... What someone would do in a random encounter is entirely different to their long term plan.
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He would use it as soon as it was ready.... which is what he did IMMEDIATELY after retrieving the rinnegan from Madara.
And there's always izaunami that can also be used.
And there's always izaunami that can also be used.
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Yeah wel we have to go with what we have seen not random encounters and what we have seen is him use IT. Look if you are not going to count Madara votes you might as well close it.
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He wont even need izanami, basic sharingan genjutsu is enough.
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Let me explain it to you.
The moon amplifies the range. The potency it exherts with that range is the same as the one without it.
The moon amplifies the range. The potency it exherts with that range is the same as the one without it.
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We have said that several times he would not listen, if the OP is not counting the votes on one side then the OP should close it.
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Never said I wasn't going to count votes. We've seen what's he'd do in a normal fight when he fought against Naruto and Sasuke. There's a reason why I dropped that Mewtwo would lead with mindhax because it's the first thing he did. And that's because it's not his usual fighting strategy.
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But Uchihas always use genjutsus in altercations though.
I will agree with the 21 wave thing however, people over hype them.
I will agree with the 21 wave thing however, people over hype them.
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