Luke Skywalker vs Kaguya

[Promestein]

For the record, I do think Kaguya is a bit more likely to freeze Luke off the bat than he is to render her catatonic or whatever.

Kaguya has a mind, though, so not at all. She has vague and easily wanked mental resistance. Luke's only around galactic though, from what I remember.

 

[Schnee_One]

Not so much render her canonic, but say tell her off

Thinking "Leave" or "You want to get a skimpier dress" is good enough

 

[Sarvaughan]

I wasn't saying she doesn't have a mind. I was just comparing a scenario to this. Here's a better idea: does a person who has 5A scale mind hax affect a 9B character who's mind exists beyond reality?

 

[Cueio_2020]

Can Luke maintain mind control while frozen? Her hax could freeze something during years.

 

[Schnee_One]

I wasn't saying she doesn't have a mind. I was just comparing a scenario to this. Here's a better idea: does a person who has 5A scale mind hax affect a 9B character who's mind exists beyond reality?

That comparison doesn't quite hold up either as Luke can mindhax non sentients.

Kaguya' mind doesn't "exist beyond reality" its frozen to the point that it's manipulation overrides others control.

Luke in this case goes far beyond that

 

[Promestein]

Kaguya's mind doesn't exist beyond reality. It's just frozen in time, essentially.

 

[Schnee_One]

Hey Prom

This thread is kinda long and the votes kinda forget she leads with eternity

Mind removing the thread from the files and closing this? Unless we can continue

 

[Promestein]

I'll remove it. Thread can keep on going

 

[Sarvaughan]

Her soul,mind, and body are not confined to laws of reality. The Elixir is stated to do this explaining how Yuyuko's "absolute death" manipulation doesn't work on her on Mokou. And just to say, if her mind IS only frozen in time, how does Luke bypass without some form of reality warping?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Why are we even talking about anything regard mind hax resistance. Kaguya's resistance only goes on the level of Youkai's resistance, which itself is nowhere near galactic in scope. If Luke mindhax, she gets affected.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Kaguya Stomps

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No she doesn't.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Luke's only hax is mindhax which anyone with an irregular mind can no u

 

[Schnee_One]

<Actively states that Luke can mindhax non sentients

<Non conventional mind means No U

(Sigh)

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Kaguya doesn't even HAVE a "non-conventional mind". Where is that even coming from.

 

[Cueio_2020]

She wins, Kaguya hax could freeze something during years, I'am pretty sure that she was incapacited or even sleep in the process. And Luke can't maintain mind control while frozen in the time

 

[Schnee_One]

Meanwhile, Luke thinks and she's mindhaxed and can't perform it

So it's who shoots first

 

[Cueio_2020]

Luke shoots first Luke wins

Kaguya shoots first Kaguya wins

Both shoots in the same time Kaguya wins

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't think two people thinking at the same time can strike simultaneously

 

[Wokistan]

I think he's saying it's similar to what happens with Ahriman.

 

[Cueio_2020]

Yes. Kaguya hax still would remain even is she gets incapacited, while Luke mind control would be cancelled if he gets frozen.

 

[Wokistan]

I don't see why that would really happen, though. With ahriman I argued that because luke would just die to his stuff. Here if he's forever, it seems kagyua has doomed herself to an eternity in his thrall.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So my question is, why can't Luke just fight off her mind manip with his own? It doesn't make sense for him to be completely helpless against hers when his is far greater.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"In his thrall"

Pretty sure Luke doesn't put people under a charm or smth and just give people orders.

Also what does Luke normally do with his mindhax? If he says something like "lol go home", then he will be stuck frozen while Kaguya's still alive and kicking so I hardly think that would count as a loss.

 

[Cueio_2020]

It is not mind manip, it's time stop

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

@Blank Because...Kaguya has no mind manip?

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Couldn't he just tell Kaguya to let him go?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

He'd have to know what she was about to do for that. If he's frozen as soon as he does his first move in battle he won't be thinking about making her free him.

 

[Sarvaughan]

Couldn't her hax go off before his using it's instantaneous effect?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

No. Because that's something she needs to activate. Her movements aren't naturally "instant". Which makes it useless in this situation, since she'd be better off just freezing him from the start.

 

[Cueio_2020]

"In his thrall"
Pretty sure Luke doesn't put people under a charm or smth and just give people orders.

Also what does Luke normally do with his mindhax? If he says something like "lol go home", then he will be stuck frozen while Kaguya's still alive and kicking so I hardly think that would count as a loss.

Questions:

1: If Luke mind controls and say something like go home, how the heck Kaguya gonna back to her house? SBA put they in New York and I'm pretty sure that Kaguya doesn't know where it is.

2: If Kaguya somehow return to her house, what prevents Kaguya of return to the battle? She is MFTL+ and has dimensional travel. She would return in an instant literally.

3: According to SBA, to win with BFR you must remove an opponent from the battlefield for over one week, while to win with incapacition you just need incapacitate the adversary for over a day. The winner wouldn't be Kaguya in this case?

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just curious.

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

luke fra

 

[Cueio_2020]

?

 

[Kyle_Ramos]

Luke thinks.

 

[Cueio_2020]

Kaguya thinks and Luke is frozen.

 

[Schnee_One]

1. She tries to find it since she is specifically being told to "Go Home

2. The first thing you said, she doesn't know, will take more then a day to find.

3. If Kaguya is being controlled to go to her house for a day and can't fight Luke, then yeah, that's a loss

 

[The_Archdemon]

Luke FRA

 

[Sarvaughan]

Why is Luke's manipulation assumed to go off first if Kaguya freezing him in time is thought based as well? Someone completely incapacitated vs someone walking around isn't really a clear victory condition for one side.

 

[Cueio_2020]

Incon FRA, who thinks first wins.

 

[The_Archdemon]

Can't Luke think while still frozen? I meanm, if so, he could force her into unfreezing him.