The Son of Sparda VS The New Hope (Dante VS Luke)

[Phsccarvalho]

How?


This comes from a Dark Horse Legends comic. Not canon.


Luke wins

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Maverl Obi-Wan and Anaki chapter 5 - is canon

 

[Doggo]

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Maverl Obi-Wan and Anaki chapter 5 - is canon

bro I screwed up so badly

thx but Luke still dodges or kills Dante after he cuts off his sword.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Body Control, Statistics Amplification, Damage Boost and Limited Immortality (Type 2) (Those who are strong in the Force and learn to control it can perform extraordinary physical feats — such as leaping impossible distances, moving with superhuman speed and strength, resisting pain or injuries that would be lethal to others, shrugging off the effects of fatigue, and benefiting from naturally enhanced reflexes — for the Force flows through all living beings and, when properly channeled, something most Force-users find relatively simple to do, allows them to overcome natural limitations with precision and grace; with practice, these users can achieve an almost miraculous command over their bodies, allowing the Force to suffuse their movements and imbue them with strength, agility, and elegance far beyond the ordinary)

Has Luke shown the bolded? The big elephant is the room is the fact that his Luke has very little showings. Hell, this key hasn't even trained with Yoda yet.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

How?

Because a Jedi's enhancement doesn't really stop things like knives, swords, and bullets? They suffer from that "Wonder Woman" effect where they're very good at stopping blunt stuff via enhancement, but not really much else. And Luke at this point doesn't know Tutamenis.

This comes from a Dark Horse Legends comic. Not canon.


Luke wins

Uh, no? It comes from the canon Obi-Wan and Anakin Marvel comic. Issue #5 specifically.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Has Luke shown the bolded? The big elephant is the room is the fact that his Luke has very little showings. Hell, this key hasn't even trained with Yoda yet.

These are relatively simple Force powers to perform (as the justification states) as long as the Force is channeled correctly. At this point in the story, Luke is more accustomed to the Force and other Force powers (instinctive reaction, telepathy, precognition, and has learned some telekinesis on his own) and is already very superhuman, so I don't see why he couldn't do this.

And Luke at this point doesn't know Tutamenis.

There is no Tutaminis in Canon. It's just Force Barrier/deflect

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

These are relatively simple Force powers to perform (as the justification states) as long as the Force is channeled correctly. At this point in the story, Luke is more accustomed to the Force and other Force powers (instinctive reaction, telepathy, precognition, and has learned some telekinesis on his own) and is already very superhuman, so I don't see why he couldn't do this.

It states: "those who are strong in the Force and learn to control it", Luke isn't given proper training on the Force enough to lift a simple ship even with his training with Yoda. Although I'll conceded that Luke can probably inhibit pain a decent bit, given his whole situation on Hoth, but I don't think he'll be walking off gunshots.

There is no Tutaminis in Canon. It's just Force Barrier/deflect

Yoda's whole "absorbing lightning" thing is Tutaminis. It's also what Vader does in Cloud City and how the Father's able to grab lightsabers. All of which are canon showings.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It states: "those who are strong in the Force and learn to control it", Luke isn't given proper training on the Force enough to lift a simple ship even with his training with Yoda. Although I'll conceded that Luke can probably inhibit pain a decent bit, given his whole situation on Hoth, but I don't think he'll be walking off gunshots.

Luke already controls the Force, he learned this in episode 4 and only improved later on.

Dude, as incredible as it may seem, telekinesis is considered an advanced study within Force Powers, and even considered difficult to master.

So, using and mastering telekinesis is much more difficult than Force Amp and other Force Powers.

"Obi-Wan had never addressed telekinesis with me. It was likely that I wasn't strong enough to begin training in such an advanced field of study. That didn't mean I shouldn't try."
-Heir to Jedi

TELEKINESIS Those adept at using the Force are able to access its energies tomanipulate objects using nothing but their minds. It may seemeffortless, but it's not an easy skill to master, requiring a great dealof focus and willpower.
- secrets of the jedi (marcsumerak)

And yet Luke managed to teach himself this force power (although he didn't master it)

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Yoda's whole "absorbing lightning" thing is Tutaminis. It's also what Vader does in Cloud City and how the Father's able to grab lightsabers. All of which are canon showings.

It's not.

In the Star Wars book, it's said that what Yoda did is a rare force power (compared to Bond and psychometry), meaning that basically only a few unique people can do it.

And what Vader did was the Force Barrier. Father is a god of the Force, nothing he does can be taken into consideration for other users of the force

Tutaminis does not exist in canon, you won't even see any mention of it in canon.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

It's not.

In the Star Wars book, it's said that what Yoda did is a rare force power (compared to Bond and psychometry), meaning that basically only a few unique people can do it.

A few unique people. Like, oh I don't know, the Chosen One?

And what Vader did was the Force Barrier. Father is a god of the Force, nothing he does can be taken into consideration for other users of the force

Was it said in the novelization that it was the Force Barrier or something?

Tutaminis does not exist in canon, you won't even see any mention of it in canon.

Just because it's not directly name-dropped doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Tutaminis is just the absorption and redirection of harmful energies. I.e., what all of my examples show.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Luke already controls the Force, he learned this in episode 4 and only improved later on.

Luke BARELY used the Force in Episode 4. He used it to help guide his aim and for minor precognition.

Dude, as incredible as it may seem, telekinesis is considered an advanced study within Force Powers, and even considered difficult to master.

So, using and mastering telekinesis is much more difficult than Force Amp and other Force Powers.


And yet Luke managed to teach himself this force power (although he didn't master it)

I'm not saying that Luke can't do impressive stuff with the Force at this stage, I'm saying that it's a far-cry from being able to null pain entirely or out-right block bullets. There's a reason, in canon and Legends, that slugthrowers are seen as effective weapons against UNTRAINED Jedi.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Luke BARELY used the Force in Episode 4. He used it to help guide his aim and for minor precognition.

Dude, I said that when he learned to flow the Force through his body, he evolves later. Just look at his own profile (and that of other Jedi) that the basis for them to be superhuman is the Force Amp, and the Force Amp includes that.

I'm not saying that Luke can't do impressive stuff with the Force at this stage, I'm saying that it's a far-cry from being able to null pain entirely or out-right block bullets. There's a reason, in canon and Legends, that slugthrowers are seen as effective weapons against UNTRAINED Jedi.

You speak as if the bullet passes through the lightsaber and hits the wielder with maximum force/power, when it doesn't.

First, when the bullets touch the lightsaber, they stop, collide (note the profile of the saber, which appears solid despite being made of plasma energy), and then lose speed.

Obiwan himself was slightly injured, and it didn't really affect him; he still behaved normally.

like a projectile from a slugthrower. Like someone whipped a rock real fast. If we could get some opposing force on it, should drain down the velocity pretty quick. If, uh, it doesn’t break apart. But that’s where you guys come in.”
-The High Republic: Light of the Jedi