The Son of Sparda VS The New Hope (Dante VS Luke)

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[Drite77]

Bump, and if I'm not wrong, these are the votes so far:

Dante: 2 (Drite77, TegamiBachi25)

Luke: 0

 

[Drite77]

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[Tony_di_bugalu]

welcum to bump hell

you won't get far tbh

 

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[PapiSavitar5025]

This is likely just a skill-stomp.
Luke was getting pushed around by a Stormtrooper without any formal Lightsaber training.
Dante, meanwhile, has bullied armed thugs, Demons, and even went against the White Rabbit who was easily dispatching everyone else.
Also, he did really good against Lady. She trained her whole life against fighting Demons and Dante still beat her ass. If it wasn't for her gadgets Dante just kinda cooked her.

 

[Drite77]

This is likely just a skill-stomp.
Luke was getting pushed around by a Stormtrooper without any formal Lightsaber training.
Dante, meanwhile, has bullied armed thugs, Demons, and even went against the White Rabbit who was easily dispatching everyone else.
Also, he did really good against Lady. She trained her whole life against fighting Demons and Dante still beat her ass. If it wasn't for her gadgets Dante just kinda cooked her.

If you really want to get more specific, Dante clearly vastly outsped all the thugs and against the White Rabbit he just one shot him, didn't really faced him.

Dante did face a lot of Demons + Cavaliere without ever taking a single hit from the former, but I'll also note Luke is quite stronger then Dante and The Force Edge would likely be destroyed by Luke's lightsaber. Dante would likely be able to disarm him but it would be a CQC without weapons, Dante is more skilled but Luke still has a sizeable AP advantage

 

[Pyro9278]

If you really want to get more specific, Dante clearly vastly outsped all the thugs and against the White Rabbit he just one shot him, didn't really faced him.

Dante did face a lot of Demons + Cavaliere without ever taking a single hit from the former, but I'll also note Luke is quite stronger then Dante and The Force Edge would likely be destroyed by Luke's lightsaber. Dante would likely be able to disarm him but it would be a CQC without weapons, Dante is more skilled but Luke still has a sizeable AP advantage

Now that I see it, Dante should have access to both Rebellion and Force Edge. If one gets damaged, he can still use the other.

 

[Drite77]

Now that I see it, Dante should have access to both Rebellion and Force Edge. If one gets damaged, he can still use the other.

No, he doesn't have access to both, the Rebellion is "absorbed" into Dante when he goes into DT, and in this fight he starts in DT

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

If you really want to get more specific, Dante clearly vastly outsped all the thugs and against the White Rabbit he just one shot him, didn't really faced him.

Dante did face a lot of Demons + Cavaliere without ever taking a single hit from the former, but I'll also note Luke is quite stronger then Dante and The Force Edge would likely be destroyed by Luke's lightsaber. Dante would likely be able to disarm him but it would be a CQC without weapons, Dante is more skilled but Luke still has a sizeable AP advantage

Did you see the moves Dante was pulling off?
I don't care how strong nor how fast you are, what he was doing required straight-up martial skill. He also fought swordsman Demons like Angelo in Hell when he was under poison.
Luke here is nowhere as good as he is in Cloud City, and I'd still argue that Dante's more skilled even if.

Also, the Force Edge was one of the main magical foci used in the separation of universes. While that's power Dante can't tap into, I'd still argue that alone makes it durable enough to trade hits with a lightsaber. Even if it couldn't, Luke wouldn't be able to block bullets.

 

[Drite77]

I don't care how strong nor how fast you are, what he was doing required straight-up martial skill. He also fought swordsman Demons like Angelo in Hell when he was under poison.

I'm not saying Dante is unskilled, but this match isn't a stomp just because of his skill since Luke has a decent AP advantage, and like I said, they wouldn't really use their swords here

Also, the Force Edge was one of the main magical foci used in the separation of universes. While that's power Dante can't tap into, I'd still argue that alone makes it durable enough to trade hits with a lightsaber

The separation is mostly involving Magic and rituals, not something that would exactly scale to the Force Edge itself

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

I'm not saying Dante is unskilled, but this match isn't a stomp just because of his skill since Luke has a decent AP advantage, and like I said, they wouldn't really use their swords here


The separation is mostly involving Magic and rituals, not something that would exactly scale to the Force Edge itself

Force Edge IS a magical foci. If it's capable of withstanding even 0.001% of that power, it's enough to withstand Luke's saber here. Not to mention that it aligns pretty well with how the actual weapon operates in the game canon.

If the match isn't a stomp, it favors Dante.

 

[Drite77]

If it's capable of withstanding even 0.001% of that power

There is no indicative the Force Edge scales to the feat itself. The barrier is separated by 4 things, the Force Edge, the Amulet that has been divided, Dante's Blood and Vergil's Blood, and there is no indication whatsoever that either of the 4 directly scale to the feat of separating the 2 Worlds.

Not to mention that it aligns pretty well with how the actual weapon operates in the game canon.

That's irrelevant, the Netflix show is completely separated from the games, just because it works on way on one media doesn't mean it works the same on another, specially one that takes several creative liberties

If the match isn't a stomp, it favors Dante.

It's what I'm saying, yes

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Force Edge IS a magical foci. If it's capable of withstanding even 0.001% of that power, it's enough to withstand Luke's saber here. Not to mention that it aligns pretty well with how the actual weapon operates in the game canon.

If the match isn't a stomp, it favors Dante.

This weapon doesn't have any different durability profiles and has no plasma/heat resistance. So it kind of doesn't matter; it'll get cut.

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

This weapon doesn't have any different durability profiles and has no plasma/heat resistance. So it kind of doesn't matter; it'll get cut.

The blade gets cut, and then Dante just resorts to gun-spam. Still a losing battle for Luke.

 

[Drite77]

The blade gets cut, and then Dante just resorts to gun-spam. Still a losing battle for Luke.

Dante wouldn't just whip out the Guns to kill Luke, he is in character. Besides, the guns would eventually break, and much faster then normally

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Dante wouldn't just whip out the Guns to kill Luke, he is in character. Besides, the guns would eventually break, and much faster then normally

He doesn't have to be going for death blows. By the time they broke Luke wouldn't be in very good shape, and Dante could just dominate in hand-to-hand at that point.

 

[Drite77]

He doesn't have to be going for death blows

He didn't even tried to hit Lady or the Mercenaries with his guns, hell, he hit Lady's shoes from a hard angle instead of her legs, he wouldn't hit Luke at all

Dante could just dominate in hand-to-hand at that point.

Dante has not shown to be as skilled unarmed, he would still win, but it wouldn't be a stomp

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

He didn't even tried to hit Lady or the Mercenaries with his guns, hell, he hit Lady's shoes from a hard angle instead of her legs, he wouldn't hit Luke at all

Just rewatched that fight, and yeah you're right. He'd probably just settle on shooting the lightsaber then.

Dante has not shown to be as skilled unarmed, he would still win, but it wouldn't be a stomp

Dante very much has. When he was fighting Agni and Rudra he was dancing around them for quite a bit before they overwhelmed him with their powers and better physicals. Luke at this point isn't very skilled, let alone in hand-to-hand. Even with what little Dante's shown, he's going to be dancing circles around Luke.

 

[Drite77]

When he was fighting Agni and Rudra he was dancing around them for quite a bit before they overwhelmed him with their powers and better physicals.

He never danced around them, Dante got stat checked but he never once dominated the fight, he has some skill but what he showed is not as impressive as his sword or gun skills

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

He never danced around them, Dante got stat checked but he never once dominated the fight, he has some skill but what he showed is not as impressive as his sword or gun skills

Poor choice of words, I meant that you can literally see Dante hopping over them at one point. Yeah, he hasn't shown Albert Wesker type-beats, but what's there is way better than anything Luke can offer.

 

[Drite77]

Poor choice of words, I meant that you can literally see Dante hopping over them at one point. Yeah, he hasn't shown Albert Wesker type-beats, but what's there is way better than anything Luke can offer.

Which is why Dante can beat Luke without it being a stomp, he can't skill stomp Luke, he can outskill him, it is different

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Which is why Dante can beat Luke without it being a stomp, he can't skill stomp Luke, he can outskill him, it is different

I would argue that Dante's showings far out-weigh Luke's lack of showings. Even someone who only knows what they're doing at a moderate level is going to dominate someone who has no idea how to throw a solid punch.

 

[Drite77]

I would argue that Dante's showings far out-weigh Luke's lack of showings. Even someone who only knows what they're doing at a moderate level is going to dominate someone who has no idea how to throw a solid punch.

Luke has a decent AP advantage to not make it a stomp

 

[PapiSavitar5025]

Luke has a decent AP advantage to not make it a stomp

Any physical punches Luke can dish out, Dante just heals from it. Things aren't really allat good for Luke here

 

[Drite77]

Any physical punches Luke can dish out, Dante just heals from it. Things aren't really allat good for Luke here

Dante can still get knocked out, and concussions likely wouldn't just be healed by his healing factor. Once again, Dante likely wins, it is just not a stomp

 

[Keeweed]

I would argue that Dante's showings far out-weigh Luke's lack of showings. Even someone who only knows what they're doing at a moderate level is going to dominate someone who has no idea how to throw a solid punch.

That’s just not true, from every martial arts class I have taken, the lessen is don’t underestimate people because a person who has no clue what they are doing is still a person who can hurt you and them doing random stuff adds unpredictablity to it.

 

[Doggo]

uhh can you summarize the arguments?

 

[Drite77]

uhh can you summarize the arguments?

The Son of Sparda VS The New Hope (Dante VS Luke)

Anyway, this can be closed.

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[Doggo]

Ok, so now that both are in character and I think I've got a grasp of what would try to do in the first strike, I think it is more balanced now

I'll repeat myself for what Dante will initially think: He knows Luke's an enemy and if he loses there'll be consequences... but that doesn't change the fact Luke's still a human and Dante wouldn't go for the kill and would want to play with Luke regardless, since SBA doesn't say they know how strong the other character is, there is no reason to believe Luke is stronger then any of the mercenaries in Episode 2, for example.

Once again, Dante sees Luke has a neat sword and he'll go for a sword clash, no questions asked. Thing is, the Force Edge would be completely destroyed in the first strike, and I would like to believe would know that about the Lightsabers, as Force Edge shouldn't be considered anything above any of the metals they have in the Star Wars universe in his conception.

After that, there is no way Dante will continue to not take that fight seriously, it would be very apparent Luke is not a normal human and his weapon is even more inhumane then anything he has seen. I do believe Dante would be able to easily dodge Luke's strikes since he is not trained with his saber and he has done similar with much more enemies surrounding him, so it wouldn't be a first for Dante either.

Disarming Luke from his Saber shouldn't be too hard either. He wouldn't use the weapon, once again, Luke's still human and, while enemies, not exactly someone that would need to be killed, so Dante wouldn't try using a weapon so strong to kill Luke. Dante can also maintain his grip on the weapon since Luke's TK has no vallue and Dante has a very big LS.

In my opinion, the fight would be about CQC, maybe some use of his pistols but he wouldn't target Luke with them. Luke has the AP advantage, Dante has the Skill advantage here, Dante also likes to move around a lot, he jumps, grabs momentum on walls, etc. Plus, while he can still get knocked out, Dante's High-Low's regen should be able to keep him going for some of the minor wounds he receives in his body.

I would give it to Dante in this case

Won't the momentum of the slash just keep going towards Danter after slicing his sword?

 

[Drite77]

Won't the momentum of the slash just keep going towards Danter after slicing his sword?

I was told Luke wouldn't try to kill Dante in the first slash

 

[Doggo]

I was told Luke wouldn't try to kill Dante in the first slash

He will, he wont hesitate to kill if his life is in danger.