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Luffy vs Asta (but they're composites)

XDragnoir

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Was discussing this off-site with some friends, might be interesting to discuss here too:

Luffy with all Devil Fruits

Asta with all Grimoires (for simplicity sake, it's a single Grimoire that can do what they all do)

Battle takes place in a indestructible world.

They both are aware of what powers they have from the start, how they're going to use it is up to them (that's why it's Asta and Luffy and not a verse composite after all).

Speed equal if needed, not sure if it needs to.
 
As I already said previously in Discord, I don't see how Comp DF user counters Langris's Spatial Erasure, alongside the passive Fate Manipulation negating anything Comp DF user actually does.

I'm currently leaning towards Comp Grimoire user.
 
Giving Asta all the Grimoires is like giving Regigigas in Competitive Pokemon Huge Power or giving Kid Goku MUI early on
 
I could’ve sworn I put Law Manipulation and Fate Manipulation on that profile.
 
XDragnoir said:
Was discussing this off-site with some friends, might be interesting to discuss here too:

Luffy with all Devil Fruits

Asta with all Grimoires (for simplicity sake, it's a single Grimoire that can do what they all do)

Battle takes place in a indestructible world.

They both are aware of what powers they have from the start, how they're going to use it is up to them (that's why it's Asta and Luffy and not a verse composite after all).

Speed equal if needed, not sure if it needs to.
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Asta would have the advantage especially on speed with Lucius' countable abilities, the erasure of the angris and again the dimensions slash that cuts through three-dimensional space in fact too many of asta's advantage trumps.

Using Lucius' grimoire would be just as easy to defeat Luffy, the fight lasted not even 5min.
 
SlendVeny said:
The user would be a hybrid between the two.
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Ehhh, I can see that with maybe two Zoans, it's still strange tho but sure.

Would that matter here tho? Seems like a really minor detail in a mostly hax battle.
 
XDragnoir said:
Ehhh, I can see that with maybe two Zoans, it's still strange tho but sure.

Would that matter here tho? Seems like a really minor detail in a mostly hax battle.
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I was just saying that having multiple Zoan amps could make him outspeed hard.

That said, I can totally see him using a bunch of the powers of his Zoans in G5. He'd manifest a bunch of Onigumo arms, turn one of the hands into a dragon head, use it to breathe fire, turn one of them into another thing, etc.

Or he could just make constructs like Nico Robin and turn them into monsters.
 
SlendVeny said:
I was just saying that having multiple Zoan amps could make him outspeed hard.

That said, I can totally see him using a bunch of the powers of his Zoans in G5. He'd manifest a bunch of Onigumo arms, turn one of the hands into a dragon head, use it to breathe fire, turn one of them into another thing, etc.

Or he could just make constructs like Nico Robin and turn them into monsters.
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I mean, again, that's not helping much in a mostly hax fight, Asta has his own amps from the many different spells in the Grimoires + passive fate hax.
 
SlendVeny said:
I was just saying that having multiple Zoan amps could make him outspeed hard.

That said, I can totally see him using a bunch of the powers of his Zoans in G5. He'd manifest a bunch of Onigumo arms, turn one of the hands into a dragon head, use it to breathe fire, turn one of them into another thing, etc.

Or he could just make constructs like Nico Robin and turn them into monsters.
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Sure but none of it really matters when your opponent could freeze you in time just by thinking, or even literally freeze you
 
Realistically, what’s faster between Asta stopping time vs Luffy touching Asta with Hana + Hobi? Both are thought-based and pretty instant, if Asta is first Luffy is time-stopped but if Luffy is first it’s gg, Asta loses all his power to the Hobi Hobi. So being first here really matters
 
SakGintoki said:
Realistically, what’s faster between Asta stopping time vs Luffy touching Asta with Hana + Hobi? Both are thought-based and pretty instant, if Asta is first Luffy is time-stopped but if Luffy is first it’s gg, Asta loses all his power to the Hobi Hobi. So being first here really matters
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Luffy has the luck fruit as well, so Asta's going to have a hard time damaging him.
 
SakGintoki said:
Realistically, what’s faster between Asta stopping time vs Luffy touching Asta with Hana + Hobi? Both are thought-based and pretty instant, if Asta is first Luffy is time-stopped but if Luffy is first it’s gg, Asta loses all his power to the Hobi Hobi. So being first here really matters
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Lol Lucius' precognition ability will be more than enough against Luffy, if Asta uses it he will be one move and even tens of thousands of moves ahead of him.
In no world would Luffy have a chance to touch him or even inflict any damage on him.
 
SlendVeny said:
What does that have to do with anything then?
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🤷‍♂️ Just telling you what he meant, though he might be responding to this
SlendVeny said:
That said, I can totally see him using a bunch of the powers of his Zoans in G5. He'd manifest a bunch of Onigumo arms, turn one of the hands into a dragon head, use it to breathe fire, turn one of them into another thing, etc.
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Fwyzzverse said:
Lol Lucius' precognition ability will be more than enough against Luffy, if Asta uses it he will be one move and even tens of thousands of moves ahead of him.
In no world would Luffy have a chance to touch him or even inflict any damage on him.
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Luffy has Future Sight
 
SlendVeny said:
Luffy has Future Sight
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Except that his vision of the future is analyctic compared to divination which is much stronger being able to see other timelines and tens of thousands of futures.
And so on.

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SlendVeny said:
Counterpoint: Snakeman with like 50 hands
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Your argument is execrable man 🙏😭, Luffy would have no chance with precognition divination and is erasur existence or even a huge amount of water in fact too much thing plays in Asta's favor.
 
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