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Y’all can we not?
Best for both parties to just move on tbh
Best for both parties to just move on tbh
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Luffy vs Asta (but they're composites)
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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What you should be doing is watching Shangri La FrontierY’all can we not?
Best for both parties to just move on tbh
Epsilon_R
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I try to explain and here you are...
Ok cool, so how about you move on?
Again, if you took this the wrong way it's not my problem. I even said sorry, what more do you want?
Let's just say we both misunderstood, alright?
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What in the name of all that is holy is that?
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Like, punches and his usual stuff
And second would be using his Nakamas DF (Chopper which is useless, Brook and Robin) or people close to him like Ace, Law? Or powers that he seems were cool (No idea right now) and finally, Zoans which are the more suited powers for his combat style
Because Luffy using complicated powers like Doflamingo, Kuma etc for me is as weird as Asta using Puri Angel`s feather magic or Langris' spatial erasure
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Lolopechka wisdom vs Vegapunk intelligence, for the sake of an argument, both have their peak intelligence
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Vegapunk easily. It's being able to process finite amounts of knowledge vs process unlimited knowledge.
Aside from that you can't compare the two. Lolopechka is a wizard, Vegapunk isn't. Vegapunk is a scientific mind, Lolopechka isn't. The two forms of intelligence are pretty much entirely different from one another and is the equivalent of me comparing Mike Tyson's battle IQ to Albert Einstein's normal IQ.
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Is vegapunks intellect part of her devil fruit
Kazuma_kuwabara
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The devil fruit let´s HIM be able to never forget anything and amass a vast ammount of knowledge
Which does not transfer into Luffy, that is why I just did a mini round of Vegapunk x Lolopechka intelligences
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You have a point but… Lolopechka’s knowledge is general knowledge based which includes scientific knowledge. Although her ability to use this knowledge is a different story which is the same thing I would say for Luffy. Because one may have the knowledge but lack the character to use them. That’s why when the scholar Morris stole the knowledge from Lolopechka, he was literally performing impossible feats with it.
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Hana Hana's extra hands don't spawn instantly (iirc they quite literally grow from the target starting from the shoulder or elbow, it's never directly the hand).
Why would he lose his powers tho? Grimoires are connected to their users Soul to some extent, there's no reason why becoming a toy would remove it.
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Luffy has actual future sight, it's not as strong as Lucius who can see thousands of futures, but Luffy also sees future itself (around 10 seconds into it).
Epsilon_R
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This.
If he can think and has a soul, he should still be able to use Magic.
He could also use his own Transmutation on himself, like Grey does
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The hands take a few seconds to grow but he wouldn’t need to even grow a hand, Hobi Hobi takes effect on contact so he could spawn a fingernail or something on Asta (even a single skin cell I guess) and that’s enough.
And the Hobi Hobi converts people to powerless toys. Even Robin whose powers are thought-based couldn’t use hers, there’s no indication that Asta could.
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Asta be like “vanish” to all of these crap via Zagred’s Reality Warping
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But his analyctic preco would be useless against a being who literally saw all the countable future events and therefore would be aware of Luffy's preco and its use. So for me Luffy's preco sucks against that.
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Luffy's entire body would have slashing proprieties via Daz Bonez DF
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And how will he do against an attack that cuts through three-dimensional space or erasur existence or many other things??? Stop you there with your null possibilities.
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Dodge, reflect the attack onto an infinite amount of dolls, regenerate, etc.
Fwyzzverse
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Stop your fallacy, how will it return an attack that cuts through three-dimensional dimensions ?
And what about the erause of existence? at the slightest touch it is literally cut off or disintegrated, and I didn't talk about HDO, Asta's preco will be better by Lucius' ability. According to my analysis of the mathematical infinite possibilities of this fight, Luffy has no luck.
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Stop throwing around terms you don't even know the meaning to. Matter of fact enlighten me, name what fallacy you think I'm committing here.
First of all, i suggest you learn what 3-D means. All spatial manipulation involves the manipulation of 3-D space unless it's stated to be higher dimensional. Like what kind of argument is that even? Do you think Luffy is 2-D all of a sudden? Aa far as EE goes it depends on the AoE but Langris doesn't have unholy AoE with his EE, and can be countered by other spatial manipulation.how will it return an attack that cuts through three-dimensional dimensions ?
High regeneration would like a word.
Cool?
Big talk coming from the guy who thinks 3-D spatial manipulation is something impressive.
Fwyzzverse
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Fallacy is literally a type of reasoning that seems valid but at least one element of it is false, the fallacy is usually voluntary and done with the intention of putting it into the wrong. Literally what you do with possibilities impossible for Luffy.
I'm very familiar with 3D, but your debunking is just as awful, you don't provide anything to quantify the fact that it can counter the slash dimension. Tell me what Luffy could counter the EE with?
It will not be able to regenerate indefinitely.
cool ?
I just think that Lucius doesn't tell the dimension slash unless the only possibility I consider dodging.
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Wrong. In order to use a fallacy you need to prove what kind of fallacy is being used. None of my arguments are fallacious, matter of fact I think you throwing around that term without knowing it should speak magnitudes for itself.
"Your debunk is awful but I'm not gonna explain why." you know why you say that? It's because you yourself are incapable of debunking my arguments, hence why your avoiding addressing them. If you were familiar with dimensional scaling then you wouldn't be acting like 3-D hax is something special.
Langris's EE can be countered by other forms of spatial manipulation, he can regen from it depending on how much of his body is struck, and he can transfer the effect onto one of his dolls passively.
Wasn't aware Asta could erase things indefinitely lol. Infinite stamina Asta when?
It's a useless argument you mentioned.
What????
Fwyzzverse
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We don't have to have the same sense of use because in my version it's completely about that.
I am not unable to demystify it while knowing that there was no need to demystify it. again I don't believe that the 3D hax is anything special only that I don't see Luffy telling the Slash dimensions.
But for counter, it depends on the degree used and with what spatial ability will Luffy counter it? For dolls, they're limited to 10, aren't they? And in particular, it is enough to defeat each doll so that only its body remains that its weakness.
Did I say Asta can erase indefinitely?
I see
Sorry my last sentence didn't make sense because of the translators. I was saying that I don't see Luffy countering Yami's slash dimensions which has a great range.
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Other Devil Fruits allow infinite creation of things. Such as Crackers infinite spawning of Crackers, Luffy can just think of spawning more dolls via subjective reality, etc.
You implied it but I'm beginning to think you didn't mean it because of a language barrier?
Nothing to be sorry about there buddy. I'm not gonna give ya grief for translations.
That makes more sense, only issue being that Yami's AoE isn't that impressive.
Fwyzzverse
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Sorry but for the bisu bisu no mi concerning luffy you say false because he could only create an infinity of Cakes only and not dolls. So how is he going to combine the infinite appearance for dolls with subjective reality? whereas basically it's for cookies.
No, I didn't think so.
Okok thank you
Yes, I see the thing.
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Why the new guy with the Zenon picture has Gin quotes in french?
Anyway, someone do Ichika vs Kozuki Oden
Anyway, someone do Ichika vs Kozuki Oden
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?And how will he do against an attack that cuts through three-dimensional space or erasur existence or many other things??? Stop you there with your null possibilities.
Fwyzzverse
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What do you mean Gin quotes in French ?
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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Fwyzzverse
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Damn it's happening again, I'm starting to get fed up with the bugs from English to FR, thanks for pointing it out to me.
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Oden: Who is this small child and why is she attacking me with a sword?
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You mean Hawkins's dolls? Those can't be created on the spot (he couldn't create more mid-battle in any of his fights) and he needs people to reflect the damage upon. Don't forget we're talking about Luffy here, sacrificing people to reflect the damage seems very unlikely.
This much is true but OP doesn't have such a thing, Law's space hax wouldn't stop Langris'
As for the dimensional debate about Yami, since you were quoting Slend about Awakening I think you meant something like "how will awakening turn a spatial slash into mochi/strings?" Which yeah, Awakening can only transmute matter, it can't affect something intangible like Yami's slashes, but it seems you're suffering from a language barrier and couldn't explain it, ig. (Good luck btw, English is kinda hard when you're beginning).
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Langris what can be countered by what? What’s the logic behind this
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Can't reply rn
******* edibles man
******* edibles man
