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Luffy sneaks into Whole Cake again

So, this Wano Luffy. Alright, let's go.

Luffy goes into Gear Four: Boundman as that is his go-to Gear Four transformations and pretty much one-shot the first three contenders. They have almost no abilities to stall Luffy that would waste his time in Gear Four. The real threats are Charlotte Cracker and Katakuri tbh.

Charlotte Cracker will prove a tough match as he did on in canon and summon numerous of Biscuit Soliders to stall Luffy out in his Gear Four. We still don't know much about Luffy's Goken but if he could land that one blow to Cracker, he is finished. But he have to land the blow and it is short range. One way this battle could go is Luffy using his Python and maneuvering his arm in position to hit Cracker with his Future Sight and Goken and pretty much one-shot Cracker.

Another way, is that Cracker utilizes his soliders in a way to protect him and stall Luffy's time in Gear Four. And when that happens, Luffy will be in big trouble since his Haki will be exhausted and he will have no choice but to run around til his Haki comes back otherwise, his chance of defeating a Biscuit Solider will be immensely tough. He won't be able to eat them as easily as he did in canon without Nami's rain. So, he would be outnumber and eventually defeated if he doesn't recover his Haki quickly before transforming into Snakeman to quickly outspeed Cracker and use Goken to finish him off then.

Charlotte Katakuri will prove as difficult of a match-up as he did in canon. The only difference between WCI Luffy and Current Luffy is his Goken and somewhat stronger than before. I still believe that Katakuri could manipulate his body in a way to avoid the devastating power of Goken affecting him. So this match will go the same way as in canon with Luffy and Katakuri slugging each other and reacting to each other attacks with Future Sight. Only for in the end that Luffy will falter due to stamina being drained from his match with Cracker. Katakuri could outlast Luffy if he is severely drained at the beginning of their fight.

So, Luffy beat all except for Katakuri
 
Aren't these types of VS threads (Multiple combatants) illegal and belong in Fun and Games?
 
I'm not pretending this to be added.

Edit: There's no rule against it, BTW.
 
i agree with plum he should stop at katakuri via the fatigue from fighting cracker, and even if he was 100% itll still be hard for him to beat katakuri imo since branch wont be here to help him stall for his haki to recover
 
Wano Luffy cleans the board.

Daifuku, Perospero and Oven each get clapped by Gear 2nd Luffy. He's simply too fast for them and Pero's candy is weak to heat. Once Luffy realizes this, it's game over. He doesn't even need to use Goken to get a W. He's got precog to outmaneuver them with ease. So the first 3 go down with Low-diff.

Cracker's fight plays out similarly to what happened in the manga, but Luffy doesn't take a single hit once entering Gear 4th due to his precog, and he will more easily go through the biscuits thanks to Goken, then defeat Cracker relatively quickly.

Kata and Luffy are roughly even, but Luffy's got power w/ KKG by a severe margin, and his Goken will bypass durability. Kata lands a hit, Luffy withstands it. Luffy lands a punch, Kata is reeling. It's just a matter of time.
 
Yeah, Luffy obviously got weaker after Whole Cake. What are you guys even thinking? Luffy being better than before?
Te lo resumo - that's crazy, crazy
Te lo resumo - that's crazy, crazy
 
idk what the big deal is. Luffy clearly developed during his fight with Katakuri to the point where his Kenbunshoku became comparable. They were quite even when Luffy fought w/ Snake-man. Afterwards, Luffy enhanced his Busoshoku and learned the ability to basically disintegrate targets from the inside w/ his Haki, and he also enhanced his Gear 4th to where he can literally use his strongest attacks without being KO'd by the shock.

If Luffy went even with Katakuri by the end of Whole-cake, barely winning, then Luffy with his massive development would certainly take Katakuri down now.
 
i mean katakuri kinda took a break to eat donuts and luffy ran away with branch to recover his haki, if it were a straight up fight i think kata would have won mid-high diff
 
Straight-up Luffy should have lost, but Kata let it drag on for too long to the point where Luffy began to catch up (You know, plot convenience. Happened ever since Crocodile). So by the time Luffy used Snake Man, he had evolved his Kenbunshoku to the same level as Katakuri's, if not slightly below him.

With Bound man, Luffy had raw speed and power on his side, but it didn't matter as he simply couldn't land a hit once Kata resorted to his main ability via future-sight. Luffy was outright winning while Kata had his future-sight deactivated. Now imagine how it would have went if Luffy had already possessed Kata's level of Kenbun from the start. It would've been far more evenly matched (Luffy had power and speed. Kata has intang and enviroment to his advantage)

Snake-Man Luffy simply had the power to match Katakuri while overwhelming him in speed.

Now in Wano, Luffy has developed EVERYTHING regarding his physical abilities, Busoshoku, and likely everything else. Katakuri was inferior to Luffy in some areas while being superior in others by the end of Whole-Cake. Now Luffy has the capacity to use his strongest attack (KKG) without much strain, the ability to negate durability with his Haki (+ invisible shock-waves with said Haki), and the possibility that he has become stronger physically by the end of his training.

Luffy simply has the advantage in most categories: Speed (via Gear 4th, even in Bound Man as Kata could do nothing w/out his Haki), Power (via Bound Man and his strongest attacks. Kata needed Power Mochi via awakening to even throw his punch off its trajectory), Stamina (Despite suffering more injuries in their duel, he came out on top), Dura negation (Via Goken), Invisible attacks (via Goken, but may not factor if Kata can easily sense it).

Kata's advantages: Awakening granting him the environment as a weapon, and his ability allowing him to let attacks phase through him--but this wont factor against Luffy who is near-equal in Future-sight now.

Everything else they are equal or the scale tips an insignificant amount (Like Kenbunshoku)

Luffy probably needs Gear 4th to win, but it's significantly less of a challenge if Kata's one ace-in-the-whole is cancelled out. All of Luffy's previous tough fights (Kata, Cracker, and Doffy) probably get clapped. He could probably 3v1 and take at least one of them out.
 
did the time he can last in g4 increase and did the recoevery time decrease? because i can see katakuri surviving his g4 onslaught given the fact that it took luffy using g4 2 or 3 times last time they fought
 
He used Gear 4th twice against Katakuri. The first time, he injured Katakuri, but the fight quickly switched in favor to Katakuri solely because of his Future-sight (Luffy could not land a single hit because of this ability). Luffy had 0 development at this point, and he didn't get any stronger until later during the fight.

After the first time, Luffy evolved his Haki and was beginning to match Katakuri in future-sight, then used Snake-man, which lasted from 12:05 (Activation) to 12:37 (Deactivation), so Luffy did increase his time in Gear 4th during Whole-Cake.

So if we take it at face-value: Luffy during the early stages of the fight could not overcome Katakuri due to his ability to perceive all of his attacks via Future-sight. However, once Luffy acquired that ability, their fight became evenly matched and Luffy narrowly won.

Now Luffy is stronger and has new abilities. He can use KKG on a whim now. Katakuri is simply not winning.
 
When he developed the ability, Rayleigh noted that it was far more dangerous than merely utilizing Gear 4th (which is already taxing on Luffy's stamina), and when he used it on Doflamingo, it drained him so much that he was unconscious for days.

If the attack were usable without being so severely drained, there would have been no reason for him to hold back when he fought Doflamingo, who he knew was capable of taking his Kong Gun with little trouble.
 
Yes, during his training to master Goken, he used said technique with a KKG (so he used an even more advanced Haki with his strongest and most taxing technique) with nothing more than panting a bit. He continues training afterwards too.
 
Also btw, we don't consider the anime to be relevant to the canon due to an entire phone-book size worth of inconsistencies.

Also, there is a LOT of filler in fights... a LOT
 
oh yeah i know that lol like the anime had chopper nami and brook reacting to an enraged big mom which dosent seem like it happened in the manga, if it did id assume we wrote it off as an outlier
 
I agree that Luffy would defeat Katakuri now without assistance. I disagree that KKG is quantifiably his most powerful technique, in giving benefit of the doubt to Goken (Or whatever you want to call it), and the notion he can take out Katakuri AFTER fighting four of his strongest siblings.
 
@Fix - The only one that would actually give him a challenge out of the 4 is Cracker. The rest are significantly weaker and slower than Luffy. And it's not like Luffy had to engage Katakuri while fully healed either. He kept fighting and eventually won against Kata despite taking countless hits throughout the fight that just kept stacking on to his injuries.

Also, how is KKG not his strongest attack, exactly?

Luffy in Base while exhausted and injured could easily hurt Sanji with a normal punch. The other siblings scale around Sanji (Daifuku for fighting Sanji, Oven for taking a hit from him and pressing Petro, Perospero being likely stronger than the other two), so to suggest Luffy would have a hard time with any of them is laughable considering Gear 2nd alone stacks his speed up and increases his attack power considerably. Not to mention not a single one of them is remotely comparable to him in usage of Haki. They probably wont be able to land a hit, let alone hurt him.

Basically, Luffy fights in base, it's not a simple victory, so he uses Gear 2nd on a whim (like he does), and then begins overwhelming each opponent before fighting Cracker, who he has a tougher time against, but no where near as dire as the first time he fought him considering his Armament and Observation Haki both increased dramatically ever since their fight.

He'd encounter Katakuri with light injuries solely from Cracker, nothing more. It's not enough to determine that Katakuri would win.
 
@Cin You want me to prove a negative? No thanks.

Luffy is sig above them in Gear 4, not the rest of his forms. He would be extremely stupid to use that on them. It would take too many strikes to put them all down by which time his power will be considerably drained. At this point He wouldn't get through more than a couple Biscuits before falling out and being overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

The better route is for him to use weaker froms and manage his pace so he takes out the first two without minimum energy loss. Then he can blast through Pero since he would need Gear 4 to really end him. This way he meets Cracker in his healthiest state.

Now as for Cracker we know Luffy can KO him with Tankman, but we don't know if he can use that form without eating all those biscuits first. No Nami here so he's kind of messed up if he can't but if he can then that's where he ends since he's already somewhat drained and Tankman exhausts all his energy (Possibly then some). Katakuri and anyone else at that point would win provided Luffy can even stand.

Now alternatively you could say Luffy uses Goken or KKG on Cracker instead. Both of those are not quantifiably proven to take him out and I'm not going give benefit of the doubt. There's also snakeman but I know that is generally considered weaker thank Boundman so same result as above.
 
@Fix - Didn't think it'd be a wall of text, so I apologize. Side-note, i edited one word in Luffy's Dura since ... he definitely did not "tank" hits from Kata while in base

1) (Ignoring the fact that Base Luffy's durability far exceeds each siblings' AP by near double digits) He's scaling above his base considerably in Gear 2nd/3rd, therefore above where each respective sibling scales (minus Cracker and Kata ofc), and I don't think it really matters if he has to hit them repeatedly. Not a single one of them can do anything about his Observation Haki. Post Time-skip Luffy has shown no sign of being fatigued upon using either Gear 2nd or 3rd UNLESS he's using them for extensive periods or is injured--which has only happened vs opponents stronger than him in anything less than Gear 4th.

  • If Luffy is both stronger (via scaling, he is outright) and faster (wide margin via scaling) via Gear 2nd alone, he's already got the advantage. He's also got future-sight and superior Armament Haki. He'd only exert himself if he needed to, which he wont because he straight up dominates the first 3 Siblings in every category.
2) He does not need Gear 4th to fight Pero. Pero's barriers are weak to heat and Luffy already has this knowledge from their first encounter. Not to mention Pero can't reliably track Luffy in Gear 2nd if we're taking into consideration that he is significantly faster than Pero can react. Pero goes down easily overall because a) insignificant AP to Luffy's Dura, and b) Luffy has superior speed and uses heat which is Pero's weakness.

3) You're looking at his original fight with Cracker when you should know fully well Luffy has advanced quite significantly since that encounter. Ever since Luffy fought Cracker, he had 2 significant power boosts afterwards (As shown on his separate keys):

  • A) His battle with Katakuri increased his capability with Kenbunshoku Haki greatly, and increased his overall fighting capabilities (seeing as how he withstood using Gear 4th the final time for 32 minutes instead of the previous >20 minutes, and began performing better against Kata with lesser Gears when they didn't do anything previously--Also his durability scaling on his profile increase because of his growth).
  • B) His Armament Haki development with Hyo, and his capability to now use his KKG with no visible drawback unlike last time.
A Kong Gun shattered one of the Biscuit Soldiers, now I wonder what would happen if Luffy just decided to say "Forget this cowardly tactic" and just KKG'd and it managed to strike Cracker (Even if it doesn't finish him, you can not deny it would significantly wound him, while Luffy would just be mildly fatigued as shown in his training w/ Hyo). This is assuming Cracker poses a significant threat at all since Luffy can read ALL of his movements. He'd probably just outmaneuver the biscuits and go straight for Cracker, or use his new-found ability and straight-up disintegrate the soldiers (Assuming their use of Haki doesn't mitigate this, but we have no reason to assume this yet, so it doesn't apply).

(Insignificant part, not relevant to the topic) Not really arguing with the whole final message, but yeah there's no confirmation on the whole "Gear 4th power level" thing. It's just generally analyzed to be something like:

  • Bound-Man (Bulky, Muscular, Bouncy) Increases Power, Durability and Speed equally.
  • Snake-Man (Lean and Agile) Increases Speed, but likely increases Power gradually with every "missed" strike.
  • Tank-Man (THICC BOI) Increases Power and Durability alone. No (known) regard for Speed.
All of them have their uses and weaknesses of course. Bound-Man is the general go-to because it just has no specific weakness outside of limiting all categories somewhat. Snake-Man is best against targets that just can't be hit so easily (Katakuri), while Tank-Man works against those who are too resilient (One shot from the--i guess--full powered version simply one-shot Cracker and ALL of his biscuits while a strike from Bound Man only partially or fully destroyed a single soldier)

Personally think Power/Durability = Tank > Bound > Snake, while Speed/Mobility/Agility/otherfancywords is reverse.
 
I don't have time right now to respond with a similar wall of text but here's something that should convey all points.

Somewhat off-topic but not really . . What's up with Luffy's keys? Gear 2nd has high 7-A for scaling to Black Knight? BK scales to Law and Luffy. the latter is basic circular reasoning and Law has a 7-A rating himself. In other words much like KKG is more powerful than bound man regular attacks to an unknown degree, gear 2 is stronger than Luffy's base to an unknown degree.

Back on topic this relates because obviously the difference between Gear 2 Luffy and the first two isn't as big as @Cin makes it out to be. Pero's constricts are weak to fire, its true, but they're still more powerful than Gear 3. Luffy would need to spam red-hawk until he hits Pero enough times to take him down. It will happen of course but given its his lat fight before needing Gear 4 anyway he's better off using Gear 2 to destroy a construct then go into Gear 4 for Pero himself who would not be weak to fire.

I suppose at the core @Cin and I just disagree on beleifs. He beleives in giving Goken benefit of the doubt as some move which will cause great damage to high tier characters. I beleive in seeing it in action first. @Cin beleives KKG is Luffy's most powerful technique, while I see no objective measurement to prove that other than it defeated the beloved Duffy.
 
@Fix -

1) Gear 2nd Luffy's AP comes from scaling to the BK which scales from damaging Luffy, who gets his Durability from taking hits from Issho.

  • Issho's AP -> Luffy's Durability -> BK's AP -> Gear 2nd Luffy's AP (The Law thing should have been removed. I think someone was lazy and just REVERTED to an older version of the page after High 7-A was done again). But also Issho's AP/Dura (Taking a Gear 3rd Punch which scales to his AP) -> Gear 2nd Luffy's AP (Fought him off-panel albeit likely weaker from what we can assume and see)
  • Regardless of the "unknown" value of Base to 2nd Gear (Which Gear 2nd scales to his Durability), Luffy's still scaling > his Base, which is already =/slightly > where each sibling is scaling to.
2) Again, Luffy's Gear 2nd scales partially due to his durability and fighting Issho. Also, Pero only stopped a punch from a weakened Luffy who also could not even use Haki (Gear 4th draining his stamina and restricting his use of Haki on top of it). It's not reliable to assume Pero can replicate this against Luffy again if Luffy isn't on full-retreat from Big Mom nor suffering from the back-lash of his Gear 4th.

  • Also, if Luffy simply used Gear 2nd and landed a red-hawk on Pero, the latter is getting wounded no matter what if not temporarily incapacitated. His Durability < Luffy's AP, and the attack will send an explosion through his body (Partial Dura Negating, and Pero has 0 resistance to heat).
3) High Tier characters =/= 3 characters beneath him, even in Base. As far as we know, none of the 3 characters have anything to stop Goken if it connects. It will insert Luffy's emission of Haki and damage them. The ability is literally described to internally destroy targets. Daifuku tries to block--wounded if not outright incap/dead. Same for Oven and Perospero's barriers and body.

Just now noticing the cute 'subtle' remark at the end of your comment :)

It's precious how you also try insinuate my opinion based off of "Oh, it defeated the 'beloved Duffy', therefore it's the strongest attack ever". No, dear, not even close. The fact of the matter is that it has the best display of destructive power out of the 3 others we've seen so far (Doubting that Tank-man's Canon-ball is its most powerful, but it's the only one we've seen, so i'll roll with it).

You can go ahead and suggest "But King Cobra, etc" but it doesn't matter. KKG sits up there with them even if you disagree that it is the "strongest" attack Luffy has. So basically, KKG = if not > KC and Canon-Ball regardless. He can now use it whenever without severe risk.

Act mature before making such a childish remark to try and discredit my observation on how this fight would go down. It's unseemly. You've yet to actually counter any of my points and simply question the stats, and try and say "Luffy isn't stronger than Pero in Gear 2nd" when... Last I checked... High 7-A is >>> Lower end 7-A, my dude.

I think the point stands. Luffy wipes the first 3 out easily. Cracker is more formidable, but Luffy perseveres due to several severe advantages, and then he takes out Kata for reasons posted before.
 
I see thanks for the clarification. I understand where it comes from now although I disagree with it. I don't see Luffy needing higher durability rating just because he was not KO'd from an attack in the next tier, especially when the difference isn't that big and larger gaps exists within a tier (Ie the difference between him and even Issho's 1.9 could well be inserted into 6-C comfortably and be in the same tier). I'm even less sure that his durability should be that high in Dressrosa seeing as he fought Issho with his gears activated and didn't fight anyone else in high 7-A. I also thought there was disagreement about whether or not Luffy should scale to that version of Issho but I suppose there were no changes made as a result of that thread.

Regarding his weakened state I actually agree that haki has some passive effect on stats even if armament is not used. I'm in the minority though and not staff so I can't get that implamented. As such Luffy's lack of Haki would not change the power of Gear 3. Pero is still more powerful than gear3>gear2, however Gear 2 is supereffective (Like a weak pokemon beating a stronger one with type advantage).

I'm not sure anyone in the series has realy KO'd a mid tier yet, and so far only Kaido and Tankman have KO'd high tiers. So sure, I think Luffy would defeat Daifuku, Oven, and even Pero, but im not going as far as to exaggerate the ease which he could do it until proven otherwise.

Are you referring to the high 6-C calc KKG has? I'm just not sure what you mean by destructive power otherwise. I think that calc was considered unusable. So basically you don't have anything to concretely prove KKG is more powerful than anything else in Luffy's arsenal.

Also I wonder if he is using KKG with less debilitating effets if it means that is no longer such a huge chunk of his power. I wonder if his his base has caught up and gear 4 is no longer seveal times stronger? Somethign to ponder going forward.

Have a good day.
 
>Luffy says he can't beat them Haki-less

>Luffy has passive enhancemets from Haki despite not having Haki

Bruh moment.
 
Read more carefully before you respond dude. If Luffy had haki he doesn't need it to be focused in armament to boost his rating. A haki-less Luffy is currently treated the same as a Luffy who is not actively focusing his haki.
 
>Haki-less = Not Haki focused

Tautology.

Luffy literally admits that because he doesn't have Haki he can't beat Perospero. Meaning that with Haki he can destroy the candy constructions with ease.
 
@Fix-

1) Luffy not being KO'd is not where he gets the scaling. For Fujitora, he tanked the High 7-A hit. For Katakuri, he withstood several beatings and was shown not to suffer from individual hits once he was developing through the fight. Even hours after taking a whooping, he didn't have broken bones, any sign of weakening (due to muscle damage, torn ligaments, or anything noteworthy. Just bleeding). His arms that blocked Kata's hits were fine. His ribs were fine, his skull was fine. Nothing broke. He withstood the hits for hours. Therefore, his durability would scale up comparable to Kata's AP.

  • Tl;dr - He was damaged, but not severely from hours of constant beating from a stronger character. Therefore his Durability scales.
2) Perospero's ability is a Devil Fruit and Luffy was "unable to use Haki for 10 minutes". He literally stated this. Haki negates DF abilities. Pero's BARRIER is > Normal Gear 3rd. There's not sufficient evidence to suggest Pero AP = Candy Durability.

  • Read the profiles. Nuff said.
3) He literally doesn't need Gear 4th to defeat them whereas he needed them for characters outright stronger than his Gear 3rd power (Doffy, Cracker, Katakuri). The 3 other siblings are literal jokes in comparison and would only be able to hold out a brief contest against Gear 2nd Luffy due to their unique abilities, but be overwhelmed because, again: Luffy's AP/Speed and especially Durability scales above all of them.

4) Again, you presume one thing and then try to ignore a point. KKG outright has the best destructive feat. I'm not referring to the High 6-C calc. Learn to analyze. It's getting tiresome. KC causes a shockwave. Tank-man destroys some Biscuit soldiers and sends Cracker flying for miles. KKG destroys Doffy's Haki-infused attack, and his shield, and still has the power to send Doflamingo flying with enough force that it unearths the city below them and creates a crater below. Simple enough?

5) Now you're assuming his KKG has "less power" with 0 support. The fact is that he's using KKG without draining himself. KKG is >> KG.
 
1) I still think aking Luffy a brick wall is overkill given the difference between tiers.

2) Thank you. That's all I'm getting at. Pero's candy>Gear 3 (No haki). Gear three+Haki>Gear 3 w/o haki. Both are stronger than Gear 3 on its own. Last I checked, Gear 3 gets its rating without haki so Cany is up there too.

3) again I agree he would defeat the other siblings.

4) "KKG destroys Doffy's Haki-infused attack, and his shield, and still has the power to send Doflamingo flying with enough force that it unearths the city below them and creates a crater below. Simple enough?"

It is simple and goes back to 2 points which I said preiously:

"@Cin beleives KKG is Luffy's most powerful technique, while I see no objective measurement to prove that other than it defeated the beloved Duffy."

&

"Are you referring to the high 6-C calc KKG has? I'm just not sure what you mean by destructive power otherwise. I think that calc was considered unusable. So basically you don't have anything to concretely prove KKG is more powerful than anything else in Luffy's arsenal."
 
Less power respective to Luffy's current power yes. Do you have another explanation for how he uses the same amount of energy while having more energy still in the tank?
 
3) But you're saying he'll be drained by the time he reaches Cracker, let alone Katakuri. I disagree with this idea.

4) Literally not even regarding the denied High 6-C calc, like I said. I'm ONLY talking about face-value. KC just created a shockwave (While clashing with Zangiri Mochi), Tank-Man also does laughable damage to the environment (Not like he'll be able to use it unless Kata straight-up feeds him again), and KKG outright destroyed a city after expending energy to both destroy Doffy's strongest attack and a spider thread shield. Ignoring the latter, KKG still did resulted in the most destructive feat out of the 3

Also, do you have anything to suggest he was putting less power in the punch (Not like Luffy's stamina has gradually increased over the series, though)? The stamina used is pretty irrelevant since Luffy's weaknesses gradually fade away the more he develops on his gears (Gear 2nd doesn't incap him anymore, Gear 3rd doesn't shrink him after like 1 attack, and Gear 4th lasts longer than it did in Dressrosa). Because if you want me to provide evidence on my part, you just as well need to do the same. But that's irrelevant for the next part.

KKG, like i noted, is significantly stronger than KG (Which easily shattered a Biscuit Soldier and overpowered each Doflamingo and Katakuri's physical defenses and hurt both of them) from Luffy and Rayleigh's own words in their discussion about developing on Gear 4th. KG hurt Katakuri, KKG is going to hurt a lot more. Even if you say "KKG has no support for KOing Katakuri", Okay I'll just go with it, but he'll at least be hurt quite badly if the attack lands (Which is more likely now than before) and Luffy would just be "Huff Huff"ing.
 
1) I said he would be drained IF he stupidly rushed Gear 4.

2) Face value is no value. I won't even begin to comment on all the attacks on this fadom listed as astronamically higher than their DC suggests.

3) I'm not sure what you're responding to or getting at here . . .

>>Which easily shattered a Biscuit Soldier

4) Factually inaccurate represenation. It took two hits to take down a single BS. Tank-man destroyed at least 3 with one hit. I'm NOT saying Tankman is conclusively 6x Stronger than KKG. I am pointing out one is only "Stronger" to some degree (Via Rayleigh) while the other is at least 6x stronger.
 
1) You're assuming he'll use/need Gear 4th, which he only ever uses when he's basically being battered and broken. Not on a whim.

2) Disregarding the other two forms, the point of the matter is that KKG is simply > KG, which is already strong enough to HURT Katakuri and destroy singular Biscuit Soldiers from Cracker with a DIRECT hit (Even if they block it, yes, they are unbroken, but they lose their shields and are still damaged). The idea that Canon Ball is > KKG simply because of the idea TM>BM is wrong because KKG is not a result from simply BM, but is an obviously enhanced version of BM, which is an indeterminate value above BM.

  • Also, if Luffy can use KKG now without having to transform further, that just means he's simply a lot stronger in Bound-Man than he was before.
3) You said I need to prove that Luffy using KKG in Wano is carrying over the same power despite using less stamina, but you also need to support your own claim that "this KKG is weaker than his first showing since he's probably using less stamina".

4) Incorrect. The Biscuit blocked and its shield cushioned the blow. When it stood up and tried to stop the Kong Gun with his own attack, the attack was overpowered and the Biscuit soldier was broken. The only reason it didn't break from a single attack was because it had its shield up. The Shield took the brunt of the attack, not the body.

  • Also, this whole "6x" argument is ridiculous. When Luffy punched through the first biscuit soldier, his attack was still traveling, meaning it didn't take ALL the energy to destroy it with that punch. Not to mention the Biscuits weren't blocking when Canon-Ball connected. they were all charging him to save Cracker.
You basically say that Canon Ball is > KKG because Canon ball is > KG by a lot when the same can be said regarding KKG compared to KG.

If Luffy can't defeat Kata in one round of Gear 4th, he'll simply run until he gets Haki back. Cracker on the other hand loses outright if Luffy's Busoshoku Haki has developed beyond his.
 
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