LoZ Top Tier Revisions

[The_real_cal_howard]

Again, at least Solar System sized, as earth-sun distance is officially the radius, so it'd still be an upgrade.

I have a hard time believing realms they accidentally created are smaller than the ones they felt a need to create. Also, protect=/=hide. That's what the Temple of Light/Time is for.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

If Earth-sun distance is SS level, we have two characters who already are that.

"Long ago, in the beautiful kingdom of Hyrule surrounded by mountains and forests... legends told of an omnipotent and omniscient Golden Power that resided in a hidden land. Many people aggressively sought to enter the hidden Golden Land..."

hide=hide

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Wait, Earth-Sun is SS level? I thought it was Large Star. Or is that just creating a dimension with an earth and sun?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Earth-Sun as radius is SS. As diameter (usual lowball), it's only High 4-C.

Destroying an Earth-Sun dimension is 4-B though.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Earth-Sun distance as the radius is SS level.

That proves that the Sacred Realm itself is hidden. Furthermore, the Dark World, aka the corrupted Sacred Realm, has reverse constructs of the normal universe.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Earth-Sun as radius is SS. As diameter (usual lowball), it's only High 4-C.
Destroying an Earth-Sun dimension is 4-B though.

Wouldn't that apply to Majora, then? As it creates an Earth-Sun dimension inside the moon which is destroyed when it is defeated?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

That proves that the Sacred Realm itself is hidden.

That's what I said, though?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

@Azzy

Maybe? I'm basing this off a Mega Man X calc which had an omni-directonal explosion destroy an Earth-Sun dimension. The calc was how much energy it would take to destroy something so maybe it'll apply here?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I thought you said the Triforce was hidden?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Dark

It's a bit hard to determine, because it's reality-warpy magic stuff, but we know it's destroyed and was created by Majora, so if that applies, LoZ top tiers are already 4-B.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I thought you said the Triforce was hidden?

Hidden because it was in the hidden Sacred Realm, not because they hid it like an Easter egg or something in said realm.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

What about it being hidden has anything to do with the feat at hand ?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Freeman wanted to voice his opinion, so I quoted him from my wall.

Okey, glad to see that got through.

Argh, this computer I'm on can't handle the number of posts on the thread! Just be sure to emphasize that the Dark World and such are parallel and have absolutely no reason to be smaller than a normal universe. I don't get this arguement about the Sacred Realm supposedly being small because it was meant to hide the Triforce. I mean, doesn't the Realm's being outside the normal universe count as good enough of a hiding place?

I gotta go now, but feel welcome to use my arguement if it helps. If the discussion continues, I'll try to get on a better computer.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Earth-Sun as radius is SS. As diameter (usual lowball), it's only High 4-C.
Destroying an Earth-Sun dimension is 4-B though.

Wait. Then why is the calc of Gladiator absorbing an explosion that could destroy half the Solar System equate to High 4-C results, specially since it's half the Solar System from Pluto.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Because we have a new method of calcing those kind of feats, done by Lina and Proto. I think the Gladiator calc is quite old.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Because we have a new method of calcing those kind of feats, done by Lina and Proto. I think the Gladiator calc is quite old.

It is. Would you be willing to recalc it? The scans are on his profile.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bumpage

 

[Antvasima]

What do you need input about?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

A final conclusion on the Sacred Realm, and he wants Azzy's opinions on the Golden Goddesses Tier.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Azathoth seems to have problems receiving notifications, so you might have to remind him via his message wall.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think 2-C Goddesses are fine based on the fact that stuff like the Sacred Realm, Lorule, Ghostly Ether, Twilight Realm, etc. are clearly separate planes of existence.

If the Earth-Sun distance is now 4-B, the LoZ top tiers should get upgraded.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is generally my opinion too.

 

[Dust_Collector]

4-B top tiers and 2-C Goddesses sounds good to me

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Wait, Sun-Earth is 4-B now? I doubt so. Our 4-B requirements are, at a minimum, Neptune-Sun. Besides, a previous thread agreed to High 4-C for such feats.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So wait, I'm confused.

Creating an Earth-Sun area is High 4-C?

And destroying an Earth-Sun area is 4-B?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I mean, Creating something out of nothing IS a lot higher because Mass-Energy Formula.

But I don't think we use that method?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

If it's radius, then its 4-B. If its the low end assumption diameter, then its High 4-C.

By destroying it, I mean destroying it via an omnidirectional blast.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Do we assume Radius or Diameter for dimensions with a sun though? I mean, logically, it would need place to rotate around the sun.

 

[Antvasima]

I am uncertain where exactly that we draw the line for 4-B, but I also think that the distance from the Sun to Earth would be High 4-C.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So are they becoming 4-B or staying High 4-C?

 

[Zeldasmash]

What about the possible 3-A discussion? Was it proven that possibly 3-A wasn't the case?

 

[LordXcano]

Why exactly does the distance matter? Summoning up a building and then another building 1 km away doesn't mean I'm Multi-City Block level, that just means I can make 2 buildings.

Making a star and then a planet 1 AU (presumably) away doesn't mean Solar System level, that just means a star and a planet were made.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

From what I'm getting, I guess they created the dimension's distance with a planet and sun.

 

[LordXcano]

I don't think creating distance is really quantifiable outside of spatial manipulation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

This doesn't affect the users of the Full Triforce, as they're done via said distance being explicitly the radius. That much has been accepted and no one has a problem with, so I'll upgrade them. However, Demise and Majora (and those who scale) are the question now.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Don't we need the size of said realm to be accepted to scale to the Full Triforce though?

 

[LordXcano]

@Cal

I'm saying whether or not it's the radius or whatever doesn't matter. Two objects being very far apart doesn't make the feat more impressive, that's just range not AP.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I suggest we wait until everything regarding this thread is finished before we edit anything.