Why I think that Link should be upgraded to Infinite speed(likely doesn’t work because of the wording)

[Balancefr]

To recap, Infinite Speed is defined as either:
• Speed where you cross an infinite distance in finite time
• Speed where you cross a finite distance in zero time
• No Teleportation

This can be achieved without necessarily going beyond time itself. Now that we got the definition out the way I'll get into my reasoning for why I believe this should be the case, First things first. The Three Goddesses in Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom, were able to create Hyrule before times itself existed which could likely add consistency to the interpretation. Second, this would have even more consistency with the fact that the world was created to chase away the emptiness as described in Hryule Historia which meant sealing Null who was consuming distance in the void therefore he scales the same in speed. It's then said in OoT, the Triforce(referred to as Prime Energy in EoW) was left by The Goddesses and in EoW, it is the weapon to be used by Zelda and Link who are referred to as Priestesses & Hero to destroy Null once and for all. Which they do in the game, which would mean they have Infinite speed with the Triforce. Null was also said to be scared of one getting the weapon, last but not least, The full Triforce was able to destroy Null, yet it has always existed and has always had that property due to The Goddesses leaving it in the world for this express purpose as shown in EoW., therefore logically, anyone who uses the Complete Triforce in the franchise before EoW's release should scale the same in speed. This includes Ganondorf in Hyrule Warriors and Link in Skyward Sword aswell as Demise for scaling to Link with it. So Link with the Triforce is infinite speed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

We got rid of Timeless Void feats being infinite by default a long time ago.

 

[Balancefr]

Oh well, my argument wasn’t really just dependent on the timeless void aren’t, it’s also dependent on other material but it’s kinda late so I’m not really gonna argue it further. But I think when I look back at the meta you can just argue him being deep in Massievly FTL+, but my original argument was just arguing that about the wording and it can just mean 0 time instead of timeless. It probably wouldn’t work

 

[Dust_Collector]

Yeah even disgarding the void standards this likely wouldn't get Link to infinite speed anyway. For a primordial cosmic devourer that predates the creation of... well, creation, he's kinda a fraud in the stats department, in universe he's basically on the same level as temple bosses from OOT and complete fodder to Triforce of Power Ganondorf, so even if infinite speed via timeless voids were still a thing Null being that fast would be an outlier for him given everyone on or above his level don't perform feats on that level or portrayed as being having infinite speed.

For Massively FTL+ speed, ehh, the complete Triforce can maybe get a seperate speed rating for it's reality warping but can't think of a way it'd scale to like, Ganon's general speed in ALTTP when he had it. Skyward Sword Link had his triforce key removed ages ago because he only had it for like 2 minutes and was never empowered by it, just wished for the imprisoned to die and then left it on the statue of Hylia so he wouldn't get any kind of speed scaling, nor would Demise since Link didn't have any piece of the Triforce when he clapped him.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The thing about Null, Dust Collector is mostly right but the actual issue is Null at their prime is never even fought in EoW. Beings of Primodial Chaos are inherently Low 2-C minimum, and if the cosmology is bigger, they could be higher. Which casually creating 2-B cosmology by accident by trying to seal him away could imply that.

However, none of that truly matters to the main current plot of EoW. Null was heavily nerfed/reduced state throughout and just isn't very strong. And needed a Triforce of Power just to arguably be ToP Ganondorf's equal, and the entire plot centers around needing the full triforce just to return to prime. We also typically avoid giving speed ratings based on reality warping, so I do not thing there are any speed feats to think of. And at best, Tier 2 upgrades for Complete Triforce looks solid. But we also do not know of Null would consume the cosmology all at once or over time. And even at prime or complete Triforce, there is no proof of being equal to GG; just that Null kept consuming their creations and they had to seal him away. It's also stated all the time that "Symbol of their power" is not proof that Triforce is equal, but more strongly implies to be a small taste and therefore a fraction of their power.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Eh, Null likely isn't weaker at all during the events of EOW. He was never treated as impressive strength wise in the first place, all he did before the creation of the universe was eat random lifeforms that popped up and then the goddesses told him to knock it off and put him in time out without any struggle. His goal with the Triforce isn't even about returning to his prime (Game never even hints at him being weaker in current day) it's about using it to destroy the universe and turn it back into the void since he liked creation being like that.

Unfortunately we can't can say he was tier 2 at any point and that he's currently just nerfed without getting too much into speculation (I've been working on his eventual profile on and off and it's already been agreed he ain't getting a single key with the number 2 in it, people in the general discussion thread even make the occasional joke about it). It's super weird he's not natually tier 2 given he's the reason creation even exists but it is what it is I guess, dudes got some crazy hax though, sealing that works on the golden goddesses and spatial / bfr to a realm that basically serves as a time stop / existence erasure combo is pretty nuts.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Beings of Primodial Chaos are inherently Low 2-C minimum, and if the cosmology is bigger, they could be higher. Which casually creating 2-B cosmology by accident by trying to seal him away could imply that.

That's kind of pretty much what Null was originally, an omnipresent void and literal embodiment of disorder. We do not know anything beyond that, but at origin and based on general policies, that would be it.

Though, Null isn't even that big throughout EoW yeah.

 

[Dust_Collector]

That's kind of pretty much what Null was originally, an omnipresent void and literal embodiment of disorder. We do not know anything beyond that, but at origin and based on general policies, that would be it.

Null was just a creature that lived in the void, he wasn't omnipresent or an embodiment of anything he just went around eating other lifeforms that also started forming in the void. The goddesses themselves even confirm he just dwelt within the void not that he was a void, Null himself even talks about how the void was his home and he liked chilling there when his echo of Zelda found the Triforce.

Like even if he was weakened by the time EOW happens, he doesn't do anything or have any statements that would make him tier 2 during the era before creation anyway. He was basically the apex predator of the jungle. Anyway this is all very off topic from the OP.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

On 2nd thought, never mind then after I did some double checking.