LoZ Top Tier Revisions

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I am also lost in everything here.

Isn't the 4-B rated decided by how we treat said realm? Or what? Like what is making these guys 4-B?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

4-B is solely for the Full Triforce being able to sustain and corrupt that land solely by existing and being touched. Along with the wielders of the Full Triforce and FSA Vaati (Actually, Demise and Hylia shouldn't be weaker than any form of Vaati...).

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What land?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The Sacred Realm

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And this is what is debated on being Large Star ans Solar System correct?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not really. Or at least for the Sacred Realm. The only thing being debated is that Xcano is saying it should be ''Star'' in general.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

As such is this thing Large Star or Solar System? We got some saying Star. We got some saying Large Star. And we have some saying Solar System. Here lies the problem. We got one saying 4-B. We got a couple of others saying High 4-C and we got one saying Star. I'm not understanding here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Feats of creating dimensions are determined by their size, not by what's in them.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

In that case, the full Triforce is irrefutably 4-B, along with its wielders. I...kinda can't upgrade them right now.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And once again, why is that so? Why is this suddenly SS level? Actually I must ask, how is Earth to Sun distance Solar System level?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Because creating a dimension isn't just creating what's inside of it, you are literally creating a pocket universe. I.e, a stretch of space-time separate from the main universe.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

So Solar System level Link now?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And we know for sure this dimension is basic earth-sun distance?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also the fact that it's the radius. It's not just Earth Sun distance.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Ah, Windows works so much better than Mac with Wikia. Anyway.

Before we discuss this matter of earth-sun distance and whatnot, I would like the matter of 3-A to be answered with some logic rather than pooh-poohed or ignored entirely. Look at all the hoops we're trying to jump through even though we haven't addressed things like Ganon's control over the Dark World, a universe parallel to the normal one.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

As such I am wondering what the issue is? What is the issue with all this Large Star ans Star talk? If this radius business is legit then 4-B is legit. Simple as that. Is it not legit? This is what is confusing me.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The radius business is legit. 4-B (at the very least) is irrefutable for the Triforce and the Triforce Wielders only. What is being discussed is if Demise and Majora creating/destroying Earth-Sun distances as the diameter as opposed to the radius is 4-B as well.

Also, Freeman still wants to talk about the possibility of 3-A.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

What is the 3-A stuff?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Still Sacred Realm's size related

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Dragon

Ganon's control over the Dark World, supported by other things such as Vaati's apparent creation feat, the Sacred Realm stuff, and maybe even the Find Fish since 3-A feats are possible in even illusionary contexts, such as with Virgo Shaka, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Why do you keep saying it's irrefutable? The distance between the Earth and the Sun is 149 million KM. The distance between Neptune and the Sun is 4 billio KM. That's a difference of 6 times. And the Sun-Neptune distance is our minimum for 4-B.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Saikou

Were you addresing me or someone else just now?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

To Cal, who keeps thinking that 1/6 of SS is SS >.>

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Why would the Dark World be universal?

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Saikou

Okey, dokey, sorry 'bout that!

@Dragon

The Dark World is a mirror of the normal universe. I think Lorule functions on a similar principle, too, Cal can fact-check me on that since I don't have A Link Between Worlds yet.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Why you have to be mean, Saikovo?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I'd assume because the dark world is just the light world aka the universe, but, dark?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

...basically.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Why you have to be mean, Saikovo?

A pocket universe with the Earth-Sun distance as a radius isn't large enough to be 4-B.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

@Ever

I think that would be Large Star. Stars can be really, really big!

But that's not the point, anyway. We are assuming the size based on what can be seen, when we should be considering the nature of the situatio and comparing feats.

And no one has answered my question yet.

 

[Thomas_The_hype_Engine]

Anyway, back on topic, the supposed stars blinking in out, several them dissapearing entirely calls into question them being stars in the first place, more to the point I fail to see sufficient evidence being provided that the shadow nightmares possess sufficient control over it to actually destroy the whole thing, stars included.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

The Nightmares have dialogue about taking over the Dream World. Plus, Nightmares > Wind Fish, the latter of whom created the Dream World.

Is no one going to talk about the Dark World or Lorule or the fact that it is a fallacy to judge the size of the Sacred Realm based on what we can see (as opposed to the nature of the place)? Does someone know something I don't or is there an unwillingness to concede to my case? At least tell me that I'm wrong and why, I shan't be a poor sport.

 

[Thomas_The_hype_Engine]

The Nightmares have dialogue about taking over the Dream World. Plus, Nightmares > Wind Fish, the latter of whom created the Dream World.

I can take over a building, doesn't make me building level, also, they put him to sleep, doesn't require being stronger, specially since that contradicts them being afraid of the fish waking up because that would kill them.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Sounds far-fetched to me, but I have a feeling the two of us are not going to come to an agreement on that matter. So...

Is no one going to talk about the Dark World or Lorule or the fact that it is a fallacy to judge the size of the Sacred Realm based on what we can see (as opposed to the nature of the place)? Does someone know something I don't or is there an unwillingness to concede to my case? At least tell me that I'm wrong and why, I shan't be a poor sport.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The Wind Fish stuff has been debunked a looong time back.

 

[Thomas_The_hype_Engine]

The Wind Fish stuff has been debunked a looong time back.

Good

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Quick question, since I stopped lurking this thread for awhile but what exactlyy is the question and proposition you're making? I've played all the zelda games (besides trifirce heroes and Oracle's, I'll get them eventually) so maybe I can offer an answer.

 

[Follow_Doctor_Freeman]

Yume Nikki and I think Virgo Shaka are examples of feats in dreams, but I concede due to having better evidence, anyway.

We still have not discussed 3-A.

 

[LordXcano]

Apparently I was sorta wrong. Creating/inflating space is somewhat quantifiable for AP. However creating a sphere with a 1 AU radius is only Wall level, which means my suspicions that the part of making a star and a planet are far more impressive than the actual distance between them were right.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"Creating a sphere with a 1 AU radius is only Wall level"

That is literally impossible.