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I'm not sure tbh. I just thinking of a three tier thing that Ant suggested but we'll cross that bridge later.Will the peak of the variable tier be 4-A?
Yeah, fine with that. Honestly have no problem with just Low 2-C, but I'm honestly be happy even with that.If we're forced to do the three things, I'd prefer it would be worded like this:
At minimum 6-C, most likely 4-A, at most Low 2-C.
Dino will likely work on a 3 tier solution as others showed above, and we might need to ask calc group members to help us out with recalculating some feats. Dino and other staff can send notifications to the calc group about this if they wish.So what's going to happen next
This thread gets 3 stars from me.I'm glad we got to the three-tier solution.
Well, because Matthew debunked like one feat out of 9 and acts like the discussion is overTfw there was so much contention on the tier 2 rating among numerous members and staff but we are still making a compromise and proposing a 3 tier rating because people are being stubborn. Is that how things are gonna go around here? We are going to rate characters as their lowest and highest tiers because one side thinks one thing and the other side thinks the other thing? Might as well start rating Buu saga Goku as "At least 5-B, likely 4-C, possibly 4-B" now because people can't settle on a single rating. Sorry but this is becoming a trend where no matter how many people and knowledgeable staff disagree with something, the supporters and fans drown them and force their opinions because it is basically not a debate that hinges on facts, just a debate to see who has more time and can go on debating their notion until the other side gives up, and obviously it will be the fans because they have a greater drive. The fact that after 1000 comments of vehement disagreements it is still passing because we have to "compromise" is saddening.
thisMatthew, your post is purposefully misleading. Your side does it just as much as ours. Staff are here to moderate discussion, and other than that their opinion is as good a regular users is, unless they are knowledge of the verse. Your side and ours are inaccurate in some aspects, and your statements puts our side in a bad light when your side is guilty of the same things.
But yes, I do agree with AKM, it was well put.
This is exactly what I meant by “staff saying no and shutting down discussion.” Three feats should be enough for a solid tiering, but because of worse stonewalling (again, surface area in tier 2 and playable status meaning game mechanics and literally just incredulity are large arguments and the same people are saying that we’re grasping at straws), but we’re the ones compromising with not only a possibly tiering instead of a solid one, but a lower tier as well. So you being the person saying that we’re being antagonistic by stonewalling and being stubborn is not only wrong, but insulting.Tfw there was so much contention on the tier 2 rating among numerous members and staff but we are still making a compromise and proposing a 3 tier rating because people are being stubborn. Is that how things are gonna go around here? We are going to rate characters as their lowest and highest tiers because one side thinks one thing and the other side thinks the other thing? Might as well start rating Buu saga Goku as "At least 5-B, likely 4-C, possibly 4-B" now and literally every character in existence because people can't settle on a single rating. Sorry but this is becoming a trend where no matter how many people and knowledgeable staff disagree with something, the supporters and fans drown them and force their opinions because it is basically not a debate that hinges on facts, just a debate to see who has more time and can go on debating their notion until the other side gives up, and obviously it will be the fans because they have a greater drive. The fact that after 1000 comments of vehement disagreements it is still passing because we have to "compromise" is saddening.
This. So much this. People latch onto the color of his name, plus the others, rather than the arguments at hand.Well, because Matthew debunked like one feat out of 9 and acts like the discussion is over
^It's probably best to just close this thread at this point. Low 2-C clearly isn't happening and we don't have all the feats calced for properly insert the lower values of the Variable Tier yet.It might be best to close this thread and let Dino Ranger Black start a new one after he is done.
Just because in your eyes the other feats weren't "debunked" doesn't mean I didn't debunk them.Well, because Matthew debunked like one feat out of 9 and acts like the discussion is over
The Strawman Version of me which you systematically portray in your posts and then criticize instead of actually engaging with my arguments must be incapable of recovering by now...This is exactly what I meant by “staff saying no and shutting down discussion.” Three feats should be enough for a solid tiering, but because of worse stonewalling (again, surface area in tier 2 and playable status meaning game mechanics and literally just incredulity are large arguments and the same people are saying that we’re grasping at straws), but we’re the ones compromising with not only a possibly tiering instead of a solid one, but a lower tier as well. So you being the person saying that we’re being antagonistic by stonewalling and being stubborn is not only wrong, but insulting.
One?The Strawman Version of me which you systematically portray in your posts and then criticize instead of actually engaging with my arguments must be incapable of recovering by now...
And no, "Three Feats" (Of which only one is truly legitimate) is not enough to upgrade a character who has more than 300 games over 4 decades.
The only one you truly debunked was 64Just because in your eyes the other feats weren't "debunked" doesn't mean I didn't debunk them.
It's not. There's literally multiple Staff Threads going on where the consensus is that it doesn't!!! Just because you think it scales 99% of the time (Nonsense) doesn't change the reality of the situation.Black Jewel? You say that universe creation doesn’t scale to magical prowess. Too bad our standards allow that to be the case 99% of the time.
1. Rosalina's "feat" is entirely off-screen and incapable of drawing any real conclusion from it. Rosalina using shields is consistent with how she blocks other people from the explosion and also Rosalina didn't even appear to be physically present when she appeared before Mario and Peach, rather it was a projection of herself.Rosalina? You say she used shields. I say show me where it said she shielded herself when the text only mentioned two people. Not only that, but you’re implying she shielded herself each time she saw the universe reset. Then there’s her status as a playable character in 3D World. You arguing her being hurt by Bowser, the final boss, is the same as her being hurt by fodder enemies, and I don't know why I have to justify that being a dumb argument.
Goombas can also kill Mario. Try again.It's not. There's literally multiple Staff Threads going on where the consensus is that it doesn't!!! Just because you think it scales 99% of the time (Nonsense) doesn't change the reality of the situation.
I get that you think it scales 100% of the time but your opinion doesn't dictate the entire wiki. In fact it's wild that people act like this thread is dictated solely by staff opinion when there's a Staff who's vehemently supporting everything and that hasn't decided the thread.
1. Rosalina's "feat" is entirely off-screen and incapable of drawing any real conclusion from it. Rosalina using shields is consistent with how she blocks other people from the explosion and also Rosalina didn't even appear to be physically present when she appeared before Mario and Peach, rather it was a projection of herself.
2. Rosalina being playable in 3D World is not a feat because it means Goombas can kill her. Her being vulnerable in her gameplay (Where she never uses her shields which do have the feat to begin with)
3. It's not a dumb argument. There's no cutscenes or canon story in playing as Rosalina. There is fundamentally no difference in getting hurt by Bowser or a Goomba in gameplay.
Mhm. Yeah, because it’s not like every 4-A feat that’s not Sonic or Dragon Ball is a starry sky dimension that scales to magical prowess, and continues on upwards. So clearly you’re presenting a falsehood.It's not. There's literally multiple Staff Threads going on where the consensus is that it doesn't!!! Just because you think it scales 99% of the time (Nonsense) doesn't change the reality of the situation.
I get that you think it scales 100% of the time but your opinion doesn't dictate the entire wiki. In fact it's wild that people act like this thread is dictated solely by staff opinion when there's a Staff who's vehemently supporting everything and that hasn't decided the thread.
Offscreen changes nothing. Who cares if it’s offscreen when it’s confirmed that she survived it. And again, show it where it says she used shields on herself. Otherwise, I win the Occam’s Razor here.1. Rosalina's "feat" is entirely off-screen and incapable of drawing any real conclusion from it. Rosalina using shields is consistent with how she blocks other people from the explosion and also Rosalina didn't even appear to be physically present when she appeared before Mario and Peach, rather it was a projection of herself.
Again, I don’t need to debunk the argument of “Just because you can select the character doesn’t mean they’re there.” Yes. It is a dumb argument. I can’t see a single way it couldn’t be a dumb argument. You’re arguing for fodders being a debunk when compared to a final boss, which can be used to debunk literally every video game franchise if we decide to side with you.2. Rosalina being playable in 3D World is not a feat because it means Goombas can kill her. Her being vulnerable in her gameplay (Where she never uses her shields which do have the feat to begin with)
3. It's not a dumb argument. There's no cutscenes or canon story in playing as Rosalina. There is fundamentally no difference in getting hurt by Bowser or a Goomba in gameplay.
Look Ant, I really, really don't want to sound disrespectful, but staff votes just shouldn't be that much more valuable. You say staff are unbiased, and I can get that, but there's no reason to assume their arguments are suddenly better.As I mentioned to Cal in our private conversation, I think that AKM just means what I said in the following post. Staff are meant to act as a bulwark against unreliable statistics and other content, so the profile pages turn as accurate as possible. Ststematically allowing massive throngs of relentless fans to swarm them and set whatever exaggerated ratings they want would be very destructive for the wiki as a whole.
The ideal system is to have staff that are as responsible, rational, and reliable as possible try their best to evaluate the arguments of the regular members and gauge if what they are saying seems to make sense or not, and if that is not the case, have their judgements respected. Otherwise we will enter the territory of that the most fanatically dedicated side with the greatest throng of supporters, recurrently gathered via Discord beforehand, can push through whatever statistics that they feel like, and turn the wiki completely pointless and unreliable.