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If that's the case, can there be wiki made for those weights Nack used that knocked Sonic out then?
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This is downplay, low ends exist for every characterElixirBlue said:If that's the case, can there be wiki made for those weights Nack used that knocked Sonic out then?
Probably because that's an outlier.ElixirBlue said:Usopp surviving hits from Luffy is a good example of lower tiers surviving hits from higher tiers. If that example works here in the thread.
A bunch of derailment from ElixirBlue. Anyways I will repost my response.Executor N0 said:Okay, I was coming back to reply again, but what happened here ?
ShadowWarrior1999 said:Alright, let me respond to Executor's points.
"It's pretty straightforward that Naugus was responsible for the Silent Zone content, although without a certain time frame I believe the most that can be given about the feat is Tier 4."
The Zone of Silence was stated by both Sonic and Rotor to be a universe so him creating it would be a Low 2-C feat. A tier 4 character wouldn't be capable of creating an entire universe. It was a tiny bubble of space-time before Naugus created it.
In any case, full control of the zone is exclusive when it is within its territory, which makes it very "dependent" on it. Within the limits of the Zone where we could say that he is Low 2-C no other character was a threat to him. I think it's possible for us to leave Naugus as Tier 4 out of the Silence Zone, since it is said that he did it remotely, which I interpret to be outside of it, but inside the Silence Zone it would be Low 2-C or even 2-C (Since he fused the Silence Zone with the Void, both non-finite space-time pocket dimensions)
This is true, Naugus is more powerful within the zone, but he would have needed to be tier 2 to have created it in the first place. You do bring up a good point about him fusing the Zone of Silence with the Void being 2-C. What I would propose is Low 2-C in base, 2-C within the Zone of Silence.
"Yes, Knuckles has the power of a chaos emerald, but it's not something he really uses. The whole story of Knuckles being so powerful is what led to Chaos Knuckles. He has this power and he even manifested this "energy", but it was never something he controlled or used until he became Chaos Knuckles, where he actually demonstrated such power to its fullest."
Fair point.
"This is indeed legitimate, but I believe that with Chaos having never demonstrated great feats with Chaos Emeralds could indicate that he does not use them "correctly". But this is my nitpicking"
I think a being made of pure liquid Chaos energy would know how to use the Chaos Emeralds' power but that's just me.
"I think by now we've come to something a little ridiculous. The big point of Chaos Emeralds is "they have infinite power, but you have to control their power". In the first Genesis Wave we saw Eggman affecting only one universe using a chaos emerald, but in the second Genesis Wave we saw him affecting all Sonic-verse universes (With the Megaman-verse) using a single chaos emerald as well.
The explanation for this is simple "It's the same source of power, but you need to know how to use it." Just a character having a chaos emerald and firing some burst of energy using that power doesn't mean that it's a low 2-C or higher energy blast.
But yes, Chaos Emeralds does have these Low 2-C to 2-A feats (Anyway, I have my problems with the whole "Great Harmony" thing). But except when Chaos used her (or when DeathEgg with Power Rings was able to match the power of one), they were always placed above most other characters as long as the user knew how to use their power."
Fair, although as others have mentioned a single Chaos Emerald should still be above the Ultimate Annihilator even at their weakest. Naugus and especially Mogul have mastery in Ixis Magicks which include being able to manipulate Power Rings, natural by-products of the Chaos Emeralds. So them being able to draw Low 2-C amounts of power from a Chaos Emerald I do think is a given for them.
"But, they in fact survived a blast from Low 2-C characters and Omega did damage in Feist, with these feats not really having anything to say "they are false" (Unless we count "They aren't using their Low 2-C power" or "They got caught off guard"... or "Every moment later they are god-like against Sonic and the others")"
Al & Cal were bloodlusted and their battle was threatening the existence of other zones while Sonic and Tails got hit by their blast, so it wasn't like they were holding back if that's what anyone is concerned about.
? So this thread is not updating Archie Sonic's wiki page?Genericstickman said:
... ok. I'm new here so I guess i'm lacking knowledge for this.Genericstickman said:No when everyone possibly gets upgraded to Low 2-C Egg Beater will stay the same tier it is in