Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T16:31:07+0000

This CRT is based on this proposal (read Theory of everything section directly for justification of low 1-A)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...MULTIVERSE_AND_THEORY_OF_EVERYTHING_IN_BEN_10
Low Outerversal is defined as :

Characters whose power is on the level of the Von Neumann Universe. That is, they either encompass, or can affect structures which encompass, the collection including all possible dimensional spaces.

And the Structures encompassing collection of all possible dimensional spaces is justified by ToE

COSMOLOGY UPGRADE:
Space-Beyond :
We can just copy paste entire ToE explaination paragraph as it is for justification of this along with this concluding paragraph :

It is a ToE structure and encompasses all possible dimensional spaces, spatiotemporality and laws of physics

Forge of Creation :
Forge of creation is stated to be source/ origin of entire universe (cosmos) thus scales to entire cosmos making it low 1-A . It is also unbounded by all spatiotemporality of all universes making it unbounded by all possible spatiotemporalies , laws of physics and dimensional concepts.

CHARACTERS (AP, DC AND DURABILITY):
These are a few characters who get upgraded by this CRT :
Contumellia
In my opinion, this will be a good thing to seperate Contumellia into two keys : Base and with technology. Here are the changes :
Before :

Attack Potency : Unknown, at least Complex Multiverse level, likely Hyperverse level with technology (Created the Annihilarrgh which created "The Universe")

Durability: Unknown

After :

Attack Potency : Unknown | Varies (can create infinite universe while each universe can have it's own dimensionality and tier) upto Low Outerversal (Can create and program infinite universes where each universe is a unique possible world having it's own possible spatiotemporality and laws of physics and can destroy them all as well. Making them capable of creating and destroying all possible worlds working on ToE)

For durability....
Before :

Durability : Unknown

After

Durability : Unknown | Low Outerversal with ship barrier (There's no possible big bang or possible fully sized blast equating to any possible dimensionality that can harm Contumelia due to this barrier protecting them)

Celestialsapiens/ Alien X :
Alien X's profile should get an ap upgrade
Before :

Attack potency : Hyperverse level (Repeatedly stated by Azmuth, Paradox, and the staff to have the greatest power in the verse, even after introducing the Chrono Navigator. Can create/destroy entire Annihilarrgh Universes. Traded blows with Galactic Gladiator)

After :

Attack potency : Low Outerversal (Can cut through barrier of Contumelia's ship which can survive any big bang creating any possible world of any possible spatiotemporality, dimensionality and physics. Being Omnipotent beings of verse, Celestialsapiens should be equal if not stronger than Contumelia ship and all annihilargs)

This should also give Alien X and Celestialsapiens BDE type 2 as their physicals are directly superior to all possible magnitude of spatiotemporality (via Contumelia barrier feat)
Votes
Agree : @Hellformer
Disagree :
Nutral :

Hellformer · 2024-11-28T16:40:08+0000

I definitely agree with this

Huesito88 · 2024-11-28T17:04:18+0000

There's a "Low 1-A+" Tier?

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T17:06:47+0000

Huesito88 said:
There's a "Low 1-A+" Tier?

Sorry my bad
It's low 1-A

DarkMatterEnergy254 · 2024-11-28T17:07:25+0000

What?

DarkMatterEnergy254 · 2024-11-28T17:09:55+0000

Alright, the Low 1-A upgrade is about ben 10 verse following Jürgen's Theory?

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T17:12:42+0000

DarkMatterEnergy254 said:
Alright, the Low 1-A upgrade is about ben 10 verse following Jürgen's Theory?

Jürgen's ToE which includes all possible dimensionalities
This is separately proved as well

Hellformer · 2024-11-28T17:13:21+0000

DarkMatterEnergy254 said:
Alright, the Low 1-A upgrade is about ben 10 verse following Jürgen's Theory?

Yeah

DarkMatterEnergy254 · 2024-11-28T17:18:13+0000

Hellformer said:
Yeah

I see

Lort15 · 2024-11-28T17:34:24+0000

following.

REX9097 · 2024-11-28T17:40:09+0000

Agree

Baabasaplar95 · 2024-11-28T17:40:28+0000

We need ultima for this

BestMGQScalerEver · 2024-11-28T17:42:55+0000

Very weak evidence. Disagree.

Aolphl · 2024-11-28T17:53:29+0000

OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
This should also give Alien X and Celestialsapiens BDE type 2

Alien X and others CPs has 4-D HDE, so this gg

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T18:01:41+0000

Aolphl said:
Alien X and others CPs has 4-D HDE, so this gg

It can be removed if we get solid evidence for BDE

BestMGQScalerEver said:
Very weak evidence. Disagree.

No . ToE does qualify (it is even in reasonings of tier low 1-A downstreamers so wiki already used it)

BestMGQScalerEver · 2024-11-28T18:03:20+0000

OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
No . ToE does qualify (it is even in reasonings of tier low 1-A downstreamers so wiki already used it)

mfw downstreamers is actually explicit with their stuff while this blog is just a bunch of non sequiturs where the conclusions dont at all follow from the evidence. This upgrade is a huge nothingburger.

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T18:10:48+0000

BestMGQScalerEver said:
mfw downstreamers is actually explicit with their stuff while this blog is just a bunch of non sequiturs where the conclusions dont at all follow from the evidence. This upgrade is a huge nothingburger.

Isn't "all possible universes formed by different big bangs each having seperate and unique spatiotemporality and laws of physics" mentioned (pretty sure you haven't followed previous CRTs, specially Space-beyond's revision in hierarchy)

Aolphl · 2024-11-28T18:13:35+0000

OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
It can be removed if we get solid evidence for BDE

I remember that the BDE was rejected at least three times before, and while I can't even see a solid argument for the BDE here, I can't see any reason to remove the current HDE.

Anyway, I'll try to call Ultima here.

TheOrangeGuy09 · 2024-11-28T18:17:37+0000

BestMGQScalerEver · 2024-11-28T18:21:22+0000

OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
Isn't "all possible universes formed by different big bangs each having seperate and unique spatiotemporality and laws of physics" mentioned (pretty sure you haven't followed previous CRTs, specially Space-beyond's revision in hierarchy)

I'm saying that the conclusion that this leads to all possible dimensionality is baseless and gotten from heavy extrapolation. I mean cmon seriously? You're trying to relate universes or worlds being coded or simulated (very common thing in fiction btw) to some random very slightly similar theory too by trying to grasp at absolutely anything that could maybe relate to said theory.

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T18:24:21+0000

BestMGQScalerEver said:
You're trying to relate universes or worlds being coded or simulated (very common thing in fiction btw) to some random very slightly similar theory too by trying to grasp at absolutely anything that could maybe relate to said theory.

You're clearly getting confused due to Simulated multiverse arguments being mentioned in same blog , it's only to support Jürgen's ToE on full scale if someone says "it doesn't have all postulates of Jürgen's ToE" . Actual reason is Jürgen's ToE (or ToE in general)

Hellformer · 2024-11-28T18:25:47+0000

TheOrangeGuy09 said:

~~I'll help push the trigger~~

BestMGQScalerEver · 2024-11-28T18:26:11+0000

OMNIVERSAL-KING said:
You're clearly getting confused due to Simulated multiverse arguments being mentioned in same blog , it's only to support Jürgen's ToE on full scale if someone says "it doesn't have all postulates of Jürgen's ToE" . Actual reason is Jürgen's ToE (or ToE in general)

I'm not confused. I know what you're trying to do like when I said this.

by trying to grasp at absolutely anything that could maybe relate to said theory

OMNIVERSAL-KING · 2024-11-28T18:30:51+0000

BestMGQScalerEver said:
trying to grasp at absolutely anything that could maybe relate to said theory.

Isn't ToE about possible worlds just like I mentioned (nothing besides simulated multiverse even seems an attempt to do so because those are basic things for ToE)
Jürgen's ToE is only an interpretation that seems more in contrast to verse , we can interpret it as normal ToE as well

REX9097 · 2024-11-28T19:38:19+0000

Baabasaplar95 said:
We need ultima for this

I think no, bc there many verse was upgrade to Tier 1 to 0 without Ultima's opinion

REX9097 · 2024-11-28T19:40:48+0000

Aolphl said:
I remember that the BDE was rejected at least three times before, and while I can't even see a solid argument for the BDE here, I can't see any reason to remove the current HDE.

No, DDM was agree with HDE remove and Firestorm was neutral with HDE remove (No problem with HDE removal)

henryzx900ruly · 2024-11-28T19:41:46+0000

Back at it again. I think I agree.

Maverick_Zero_X · 2024-11-28T19:41:51+0000

BestMGQScalerEver said:
I'm saying that the conclusion that this leads to all possible dimensionality is baseless and gotten from heavy extrapolation. I mean cmon seriously? You're trying to relate universes or worlds being coded or simulated (very common thing in fiction btw) to some random very slightly similar theory too by trying to grasp at absolutely anything that could maybe relate to said theory.

I disagree with Low 1-A for MGQ's reasons. This is flimsy at best.

henryzx900ruly · 2024-11-28T19:42:48+0000

Maverick_Zero_X said:
I disagree with Low 1-A for MGQ's reasons. This is flimsy at best.

ngl i just want low 1-A alien x

Qawsedf234 · 2024-11-28T19:46:25+0000

Maverick_Zero_X said:
I disagree with Low 1-A for MGQ's reasons. This is flimsy at best.

Yeah I'm with you here. Being the birth of creation and encompassing a few multiverses is different from being comparable to a Von Neumann Universe.

Ar1216789 · 2024-11-28T20:04:04+0000

I smell more Mystic Flour Cookie victims.

BestMGQScalerEver · 2024-11-28T20:05:18+0000

Ar1216789 said:
I smell more Mystic Flour Cookie victims.

~~unnecessary to gloat~~

Ar1216789 · 2024-11-28T20:06:15+0000

BestMGQScalerEver said:
~~unnecessary to gloat~~

Dorime

henryzx900ruly · 2024-11-28T20:11:06+0000

Ar1216789 said:
Dorime

akuto vic.

Shadow-Ragna · 2024-11-28T20:13:27+0000

I disagree a lot on Low 1-A as Maverick and MGQ's reasons.

Ar1216789 · 2024-11-28T20:20:19+0000

So this is a Type 1 Concept? Those are L1-A at bare minimum according to Ultima if a character controls/embodies all concepts.

TheOrangeGuy09 · 2024-11-28T20:39:28+0000

Disagree FRA obviously

Rutæhh · 2024-11-28T20:40:19+0000

Ar1216789 said:
So this is a Type 1 Concept? Those are L1-A at bare minimum according to Ultima if a character controls/embodies all concepts.

Yo bro where does it say Type 1 Concepts get low 1-A. Also I gonna have to provide proof for them even qualifying for it

Baabasaplar95 · 2024-11-28T21:05:09+0000

Disagree FRA

Hixkaryana · 2024-11-28T23:01:52+0000

The creator reaches with fervent hands, grasping at the shimmering veil of a grand theory, weaving it into the fabric of their verse. They clutch at cosmic threads, hoping to stitch together a tapestry vast enough to elevate their creation beyond its bounds. Yet, the stars they claim are borrowed, their light refracted through lenses not their own.

The theory, a towering colossus of reason, stands unmoved by the hands that shape fictions. It is not theirs to command, for it speaks a language of universes computable, not the whispered myths of imagination. Like mist slipping through fingers, their grasp falters, and the truth becomes clear: no borrowed crown can truly adorn their realm, no stolen scaffold can bear the weight of their ambitions.

The leap from fiction to theory is a chasm too wide, and the foundation they build on dissolves beneath the tides of logic.

Disagree For Poem Above

Low 1-A Ben 10 Upgrade

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