Ben 10 Ability Additions (for some characters)

[Lort15]

As can be seen here,

never let bro add 144p image again

 

[Aolphl]

never let bro add 144p image again

The image has better quality than my life

 

[Lort15]

The image has better quality than my life

that is not that deep bro noooo

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Why are you writing everything as an Italic?
I'm just talking according to profile, but Alien X moves galaxies from its body while creating the universe, and as clearly shown, galaxies=white dots. As can be seen here, Alien X also has white dots in his mind.

Yes, but the white dots are seperate and not the same. They are completely seperate from one another as shown here. The Universe was completely destroyed and the stars in the Universe were gone but the stars in his body remained. We are going in circles here. It might as well be that X's avatar holds the stars and galaxies and X's mind doesn't, as all the arguments I've made are based of X's mind scape rather than his physical body. His body might as well have HDE but his mind/contiousness has BDE1.

 

[Aolphl]

Yes, but the white dots are seperate and not the same. They are completely seperate from one another as shown here.

Needs timestamp

The Universe was completely destroyed and the stars in the Universe were gone but the stars in his body remained. We are going in circles here. It might as well be that X's avatar holds the stars and galaxies and X's mind doesn't, as all the arguments I've made are based of X's mind scape rather than his physical body. His body might as well have HDE but his mind/contiousness has BDE1.

The main problem here is that there is no reason for us to discrimination between Alien X's mind and his normal physical body. If you're going to talk about Alien X's avatar, it won't help you much because as far as I know, X's avatar is just what we see from the outside, so everything inside is the same as everywhere else.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Needs timestamp

I have no idea how to add timestamps. It's like a 2 min video and you kinda need the full context of the scene.

The main problem here is that there is no reason for us to discrimination between Alien X's mind and his normal physical body. If you're going to talk about Alien X's avatar, it won't help you much because as far as I know, X's avatar is just what we see from the outside, so everything inside is the same as everywhere else.

No. X's body and mind are completely seperate from one another and exists independently from one another. As stated as part of his type 9 Immortality.

Further evidence of this is again shown in the scene. The stars in X's mind scape disappeared while the one in X's body remained. If X's mind dimension exists inside his body then the stars should have remained as the area/body surrounding his mind dimension is still covered in stars.

Another thing is how X's body was immediately covered by the empty void of destruction left by the Annhilarrgh's explosion, as where it took a far longer time for the Annhilarrgh's destruction purple energy to reach Bellicus and Serena. Indicating them to be in far seperate places from one another.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I have no idea how to add timestamps. It's like a 2 min video and you kinda need the full context of the scene.

Add "&t=x" to the end of the link
x is number of seconds

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

YEAHHH

26D USSR let's go

He is completely t*rrorist.

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[Lort15]

26D USSR let's go

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grrrrrrrrrr

 

[Firestorm808]

Ok? My question about if Firestorm is agree with HDE removal

Neutral.

 

[Lort15]

Neutral.

Could you ping a staf please?

 

[Lort15]

Bump!

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Bump!

 

[Lort15]

Bump!

 

[Lort15]

Bump?

 

[Lort15]

Bump countless X

 

[Lort15]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

• Attack reflection for Diamondhead,Chromastone and Tetrax they already have been mentioned but not as a general ability just in desc (Diamondhead reflected the beam generated by Vilgax’s robot in episode 1 Chromastone reflected the beam generated by Cash)
  • Sure.
• Emphatic manipulation (A Lucubra has the ability to feed on the thoughts of humans. Gwen states that it feeds on the part of the mind used to pray or meditate until there is nothing left of the victim's mind. The victim then becomes its obedient servant.)
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• Data manipulation: Can control the entire game world as Upgrade while he was inside the Sumo Slammers game.
  • Sure.
• Statistics Amplification: Everything he upgrades becomes better and stronger.
  • Sure.
• Immortality (Type 3) He already has regeneration on his profile.
  • Sure.
• Resistance to BFR (Unaffected by the gravitational pull of the Null Void portal + He has dimensional travel, which means he can come back from where he sent by BFR)
  • Wouldn't be resisting BFR, it would be resisting gravity. Second point, isn't resistance at all.
• Resistance to Radiation (Unaffacted by Lander's radiation)
  • If they are shooting radiation then sure.
• Resistance to heat-cold (They are not affected by heat and cold in forge of creation like Paradox and Ben’s team)
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• All Unconventional Resistances in Celestialsapiens profile should be added to Alien x
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• Resistance to: Reality warping, Physics,Life and Law manipulation (Alien X’s DNA protected Skurd from Annihilarg’s creation explosion, which includes these abilities)
  • This isn't really Resistance to anything. Being protected from an explosion is more of a Durability thing, than anything else. Mabye Resistance to Reality Warping, but even then it's a stretch.
• Explosion manipulation (Alien x and GG exploded the planets)
  • This looks like the force of them clashing destroyed the planet.
• Mana manipulation (Celestialsapiens can manipulate mana by altering reality)
  • Not really Manipulating Mana, just changing its nature. Wouldn't give them access to all the abilities listed. Sounds like Power Modification if anything.
• Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: (Alien X can destroy all of existence, including Contumelia, Omega Beings and even Space Beyond/Omniverse)
  • HDE doesn't exist anymore, so change this to Dimensional Manipulation. And it should be limited.
    • Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".
• Fourarms sound manipulation (Created sound waves with his hands)
  • Sure.
• Fourarms attack reflection (Reflected Gwen’s mana blast)
  • Sure.
• Enhanced Senses (Vision): He can see the Chronal Randomization Barrier, that even Ben, Kevin and Gwen can't see.
  • Sure
• Second Proof: Chrono Navigator can destroy all of existence, including Contumelia, Omega Beings and even Space Beyond/Omniverse)
  • Like before, HDE doesn't exist anymore, and it would be Limited Dimensional Manipulation.
• Invisibility: Make the Chronal Randomization Barrier unseen by the naked eye, like Ben, Gwen, and Kevin.
  • He didn't make it invisible he made it visible.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: (Alien X can destroy all of existence, including Contumelia, Omega Beings and even Space Beyond/Omniverse)

• HDE doesn't exist anymore, so change this to Dimensional Manipulation. And it should be limited.
  • Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".

Isn't this just pure AP+Range, rather than Hax, though? Otherwise anyone with Low 2-C DC and above would gain this.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't this just pure AP+Range, rather than Hax, though? Otherwise anyone with Low 2-C DC and above would gain this.

Note that only dimensions in a mathematical sense are included, not manipulations of hierarchical spaces merely equivalent to such, and neither does affecting entire timelines, as without further context it could be classified as an AP feat or a range feat for a particular ability.

 

[Lort15]

• Attack reflection for Diamondhead,Chromastone and Tetrax they already have been mentioned but not as a general ability just in desc (Diamondhead reflected the beam generated by Vilgax’s robot in episode 1 Chromastone reflected the beam generated by Cash)
  • Sure.
• Emphatic manipulation (A Lucubra has the ability to feed on the thoughts of humans. Gwen states that it feeds on the part of the mind used to pray or meditate until there is nothing left of the victim's mind. The victim then becomes its obedient servant.)
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• Data manipulation: Can control the entire game world as Upgrade while he was inside the Sumo Slammers game.
  • Sure.
• Statistics Amplification: Everything he upgrades becomes better and stronger.
  • Sure.
• Immortality (Type 3) He already has regeneration on his profile.
  • Sure.
• Resistance to BFR (Unaffected by the gravitational pull of the Null Void portal + He has dimensional travel, which means he can come back from where he sent by BFR)
  • Wouldn't be resisting BFR, it would be resisting gravity. Second point, isn't resistance at all.
• Resistance to Radiation (Unaffacted by Lander's radiation)
  • If they are shooting radiation then sure.
• Resistance to heat-cold (They are not affected by heat and cold in forge of creation like Paradox and Ben’s team)
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• All Unconventional Resistances in Celestialsapiens profile should be added to Alien x
  • No scans, so I can't verify this.
• Resistance to: Reality warping, Physics,Life and Law manipulation (Alien X’s DNA protected Skurd from Annihilarg’s creation explosion, which includes these abilities)
  • This isn't really Resistance to anything. Being protected from an explosion is more of a Durability thing, than anything else. Mabye Resistance to Reality Warping, but even then it's a stretch.
• Explosion manipulation (Alien x and GG exploded the planets)
  • This looks like the force of them clashing destroyed the planet.
• Mana manipulation (Celestialsapiens can manipulate mana by altering reality)
  • Not really Manipulating Mana, just changing its nature. Wouldn't give them access to all the abilities listed. Sounds like Power Modification if anything.
• Higher-Dimensional Manipulation: (Alien X can destroy all of existence, including Contumelia, Omega Beings and even Space Beyond/Omniverse)
  • HDE doesn't exist anymore, so change this to Dimensional Manipulation. And it should be limited.
    • Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".
• Fourarms sound manipulation (Created sound waves with his hands)
  • Sure.
• Fourarms attack reflection (Reflected Gwen’s mana blast)
  • Sure.
• Enhanced Senses (Vision): He can see the Chronal Randomization Barrier, that even Ben, Kevin and Gwen can't see.
  • Sure
• Second Proof: Chrono Navigator can destroy all of existence, including Contumelia, Omega Beings and even Space Beyond/Omniverse)
  • Like before, HDE doesn't exist anymore, and it would be Limited Dimensional Manipulation.
• Invisibility: Make the Chronal Randomization Barrier unseen by the naked eye, like Ben, Gwen, and Kevin.
  • He didn't make it invisible he made it visible.

These ones are added already ı've actually asked your opinion about Removing HDE and adding BDE Type 1 for AX

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Is there any evidence that Alien X has BDE besides just being unaffected by a universe bomb? Cause resistances and durability can explain that.

 

[Lort15]

Is there any evidence that Alien X has BDE besides just being unaffected by a universe bomb? Cause resistances and durability can explain that.

@Celestial_Scaler25 explained a lot of things in his discussion with Aolphi could you check it if it is not a problem for you their discussion is at around page 1-2

 

[Hellformer]

Is there any evidence that Alien X has BDE besides just being unaffected by a universe bomb? Cause resistances and durability can explain that.

That Bomb wasn't just Universal, it technically wiped all the uncountably infinite timelines along with a Hypertimeline.
But coming to the point, Alien X has Type 9 Immortality and his true form views the destruction as merely a projection

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yeah, I disagree. From what I can tell, the FOC was inaccessible purely because of the barrier Paradox made. This means that normally, it can be reached and isn't separated from everything else. Also, the only reason it's out of sync all of the time is because of the barrier, meaning FOC has time.

 

[Hellformer]

Yeah, I disagree. From what I can tell, the FOC was inaccessible purely because of the barrier Paradox made. This means that normally, it can be reached and isn't separated from everything else. Also, the only reason it's out of sync all of the time is because of the barrier, meaning FOC has time.

My argument isn't based on FOC though. It's based on Alien X’s type 9 Immortality

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

But coming to the point, Alien X has Type 9 Immortality and his true form views the destruction as merely a projection

They never said they saw it as a projection, they just didn't care about it.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Is there any evidence that Alien X has BDE besides just being unaffected by a universe bomb? Cause resistances and durability can explain that.

Yes, a rather large amount of arguments and counter arguments have been discussed. Like here and here.

X has both incorporality and avatar creation on his profile due to being describes contiousness(by Starbeard). And X being a mere Avatar of Belecus and Serena. Celestialsapiens exist in FoC, disconnected/unreasonable from the rest of the cosmos(including the Space Beyond, which consists of all 26D, the highest space-time causality inverse, according to the cosmology page). It takes a special map especially capable of warping all of space and time to merely access it.

 

[Hellformer]

They never said they saw it as a projection, they just didn't care about it.

It's not about what they said. It's about what you can see. I mean the destruction is viewed as if its nothing for them, even after it phases through their conversation.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

X has both incorporality and avatar creation on his profile due to being describes contiousness(by Starbeard). And X being a mere Avatar of Belecus and Serena. Celestialsapiens exist in FoC, disconnected/unreasonable from the rest of the cosmos(including the Space Beyond, which consists of all 26D, the highest space-time causality inverse, according to the cosmology page). It takes a special map especially capable of warping all of space and time to merely access it.

Yeah, as I said earlier, all of the arguments for the FOC I've seen come from the barrier Paradox set up around it. It normally has none of those characteristics.

It's not about what they said. It's about what you can see. I mean the destruction is viewed by them as if its nothing for them, even after it phases through their conversation.

I don't see that as a valid argument. Alien X's durability scales beyond Annihilarrgh, so of course they wouldn't care or react. Especially given how self-centered the two personalities in Alien X have been shown to be.

Is there any other arguments for them lacking space and time?

 

[Hellformer]

I don't see that as a valid argument. Alien X's durability scales beyond Annihilarrgh, so of course they wouldn't care or react
Especially given how self-centered the two personalities in Alien X have been shown to be.

How's that not valid though? I'm not even mentioning any dura stuff, more like something that defines their existence that views destruction within space beyond as merely a projection.
Them not caring is their way of conversation so that's a rebutal, anyways, my point still stands that the destruction of all spatiotemporal of the Universe is viewed as a projection and it even phases them mid conversation.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It being Durability & Resistance is a much shorter leap in logic then it being, "They lack space and time all together".

Especially considering it's obvious their home, has time.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Yeah, as I said earlier, all of the arguments for the FOC I've seen come from the barrier Paradox set up around it. It normally has none of those characteristics.

Paradox/Chrononavigator and the Map of Infinity could manipulate/affect the Barrier. The MoI being specifically needed by Aggregor to access the FoC due to its control over space-time according Asmuth.
[Edit: and it being a map of all of space time and all]

Is there any other arguments for them lacking space and time?

WOD.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Paradox/Chrononavigator and the Map of Infinity could manipulate/affect the Barrier. The MoI being specifically needed by Aggregor to access the FoC due to its control over space-time according Asmuth.
[Edit: and it being a map of all of space time and all]

What are you trying to say with this?

WOD.

Even the Space Beyond is technically outside of the space-time continuum. So if Alien X has BDE because of this, then so should it, which it doesn't.

 

[Hellformer]

It being Durability & Resistance is a much shorter leap in logic then it being, "They lack space and time all together".

It's not regarding leap, more about it being accurate instead of falsifying the existence as durability, considering we can use his avatar instead for dura stuff. However my argument is for his true form.

Especially considering it's obvious their home, has time.

That's hasty generalisation

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Look I can tell this can easily become a 10-page argument. None of the arguments I've seen are convincing enough for BDE Type 1 in my opinion, so you can list me as disagreeing.

Maybe some other staff member will see otherwise.

 

[Hellformer]

Technically being immune to the destruction of all spatiotemporality of the Universe that includes white void which lacks space-time should be BDE Type 1. I'll wait for other staff input to rectify this situation.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

What are you trying to say with this?

I'm saying that if the Barrier is susceptible to Space-Time Manipulation, contradicting BDE and thus Paradox was referring to the FoC with his claims of it being outside of all of time. Also didn't Asmuth state that the barrier was meant to hide the FoC, I think it being inaccessible is merely a by product of it being "trancendant of all existence."

Even the Space Beyond is technically outside of the space-time continuum. So if Alien X has BDE because of this, then so should it, which it doesn't.

Isn't a space time all physical dimensions and temporal dimensions fused together in a singular continuum. Our understanding of a space time continuum is limited to 4D[3 spacial, 1 temporal] due to that being the only dimensions that we know of. Asmuth is aware of the Omniversal force so the definition for his "space time"should be all the 26D.

 

[Vietthai96]

Technically being immune to the destruction of all spatiotemporality of the Universe that includes white void which lacks space-time should be BDE Type 1. I'll wait for other staff input to rectify this situation.

Eh...no, unaffected by the destruction of space-time =/= your existence lack space-time which is the requirement for BDE type 1

 

[Hellformer]

Eh...no, unaffected by the destruction of space-time =/= your existence lack space-time which is the requirement for BDE type 1

I see
Due to being aspatial and atemporal, they are obviously immune to conventional Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation, and since they are not part of the spacetime continuum.