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Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 5

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REX9097 said:
Gwen's mana is able to affect portal on a molecular level as described in scan and this should be prove that Gwen has Matter Manipulation (Molecular Level) for example: Ghost In Danny Phantom
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At this time, I am unsure. Will need a second opinion.
 
REX9097 said:
Durability Negation (2 layers)
Well considering that Gwen has resist durability negation we see that Mana users are able to break Gwen's resist durability negation:
  1. Charmcaster can bypass Gwen's durability. In the same episode, Charmcaster absorbs Gwen's abilities, and then Gwen able to bypass Charmcaster's durability, who should be has Gwen's resist durability negation due to has all Gwen's abilities.
  2. Darkstar able to bypass Gwen's durability. Also in "All That Glitters" episode, Gwen able to bypass Darkstar's durability, who absorb all Gwen's abilities.
And this is 1 layer And now let's start with 2 layers:
  1. Anodites Resistance to durability has negation 1 layer (please check R&H) but top-level Mana users like Charmcaster can bypass Anodite's durability which should give them 2 layers.
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I don't consider this Durability Negation. This is just absorption.
 
REX9097 said:
Transmutation (1 layer)
We have this in Omnitrix profiles and they get accepted which states that Omnitrix have this:

We have Mana who has the ability to break Omnitrix resist transmutation:
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Preventing Mutation should not have been a justification for Transmutation resistance. This is Bio-Manip resist.
REX9097 said:
  1. Gwen [using mana spells] able to transform Ben from Fourarms to Upgrade.
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Not transmutation. More Tech manipulation due to the "Discombobulus Mechano" spell
REX9097 said:
  1. Gwen [using mana spells] able to transform Omnitrix and Chromastone into liquid.
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Per the script, "Tabesco caix," basically melts the target.
In this case, the lower body of Chramastone was melted, but the omnitrix was show intact. Unclear if the Omnitrix can resist transmutation from this example.
REX9097 said:
  1. Gwen Anodite reverted Ben back to their human form.
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This isn't Transmutaion. This is Ben enduring pain before the Omnitrix reverted the transformation as shown by the green flash.
REX9097 said:
  1. Verdona reverted Ben back to their human form.
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This would be an example of transmutation.
 
Technology Manipulation (1 layer)
Note: Please refer to R&H at Omnitrix Point to understand what should be Technology Manipulation (1 layer).

Considering that Mana is able to manipulate the Omnitrix's technology system, they must have Technology Manipulation (1 layer), considering that Omnitrix has Resistance to Technology Manipulation.

Tech manip via magic wouldn't layer to regular Tech manip resistance. It would only apply to any magic resistance.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Layer of what?

They just have transmutation via mana/magic.
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So still can work, bc Omnitrix was resistance to Corrodium's corruption, who can Turning people or any creature into monsters through a barrier of their energy (Mana is energy)
 
REX9097 said:
So still can work, bc Omnitrix was resistance to Corrodium's corruption, who can Turning people or any creature into monsters through a barrier of their energy (Mana is energy)
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Corrodium is a separate bio manip.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Corrodium is a separate bio manip.
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Where does he mention that he was changing DNA? It was never mentioned that DNA was altered.
Firestorm808 said:
Per the script, "Tabesco caix," basically melts the target.
In this case, the lower body of Chramastone was melted, but the omnitrix was show intact. Unclear if the Omnitrix can resist transmutation from this example.
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Still can use, all Ben's Aliens has Omnitrix's resistances
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Firestorm808 said:
You posted the following:

Corrodium a mineral which mutates peoples DNA while transformed
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So this should be removed, bc Corrodium's corruption works like this

Powers and Abilities​

Corrodium can be used to generate ample supplies of energy, but exposure to that same energy has a drastic mutative effect on many organisms.

Humans and other Earth-native species are particularly susceptible to mutation from the crystal, with their bodies being warped beyond recognition and their minds being corrupted to hostility at anything that moves. The mutagenic effects are temporary, though prolonged exposure to Corrodium would make the mutations permanent. The exposure to Corrodium can be negated with proper protection like Level 10 Hazmat suits. Transforming into an alien with an active Omnitrix shields the user from Corrodium.
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No comment on Regeneration or anything related to Layers. Anything I don't list below I see no immediate issues with.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
No comment on Regeneration or anything related to Layers. Anything I don't list below I see no immediate issues with.
  • Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Technology Manipulation: Cloud bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation (He able to nullify Omnitrix's technology system who has resist technology manip)
    • Omnitrix doesn't have Invulnerability.
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The Omnitrix's doesn't have a tier for its Durability either. Despite tanking hits from 5B to 4A level characters.
Wouldn't this qualify for invulnerability?
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
No comment on Regeneration or anything related to Layers. Anything I don't list below I see no immediate issues with.
  • Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to Technology Manipulation: Cloud bypass Omnitrix's resistances to technology manipulation (He able to nullify Omnitrix's technology system who has resist technology manip)
    • Omnitrix doesn't have Invulnerability.
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It is the way in which Resistance Negation is written.
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If this is the only problem, we can put it like this "Resistance Negation against Technology Manipulation"
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What about Ghost in Danny Phantom they got Matter Manipulation (Molecular level) thanks to being his affect on body at molecular level
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REX9097 said:
It is the way in which Resistance Negation is written.
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Bypassing a resistance to something is the literal definition of Resistance Negation, and it's not an Invulnerability to Technology Manipulation.
REX9097 said:
What about Ghost in Danny Phantom they got Matter Manipulation (Molecular level) thanks to being his affect on body at molecular level
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Nvm, Matter Manipulation says affecting bonds count.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Bypassing a resistance to something is the literal definition of Resistance Negation, and it's not an Invulnerability to Technology Manipulation.
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So you agree with being this is Resistance Negation but you don't agree with saying is "Resistance Negation against invulnerability to Technology Manipulation"
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Nvm, Matter Manipulation says affecting bonds count.
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Gwen loosens the gateway's ionic bonds at a molecular level
Cooper: We need a powerful burst of energy to loosen the gateway's ionic bonds at a molecular level.
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So do you agree?
 
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Firestorm808 said:
Corruption can possibly be done through the aforementioned methods, along with things such as Disease Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Absorption, and more, but it can also be done in such a way that there's no other way to classify it other than corruption.

It's corruption via Bio manip.
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It distorts/transforms creatures into warped creatures and affects their minds, so it's via Mind Manip and Transformation
Corruption can possibly be done through the aforementioned methods, along with things such as Disease Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Absorption, and more, but it can also be done in such a way that there's no other way to classify it other than corruption. Despite the negative connotation of the word "corruption", it's possible for this power to be used to make someone a better individual, though this is an incredibly rare application.
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REX9097 said:
It distorts/transforms creatures into warped creatures and affects their minds, so it's via Mind Manip and Transformation
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Transformation via Bio Manip. You told us that is affects DNA. It's a mutagenic transformation.

Mind Manip is a side effect of the transformation.
 
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