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That sounds awesome!
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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread
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You bet it does! The Scaling of the verse in particular is somewhat inconsistent but cohesive enough that a tier can be put in (I won’t give spoilers as to not ruin the mystery)
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Was looking at Sauron's profile and just noticed that while he has thousands of km as his range for weather manipulation, nothing about it is listed on his profile 
There are like a good amount of abilities missing for different characters too that somehow get referenced on their profiles.
There are like a good amount of abilities missing for different characters too that somehow get referenced on their profiles.
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Most profiles are outdated AF. Aaragon, Boromir, Gimli, Frodo, and Sam don't have a movie profile. Legolas doesn't have a movie profile, but he does have a Lego profile for some reason. The Ents, Wolves, Vampires, or most of LOTR's bestiary don't have them. Someone needs to do a massive rework of the verse.Was looking at Sauron's profile and just noticed that while he has thousands of km as his range for weather manipulation, nothing about it is listed on his profile
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Lmao Legolas only having a Lego profile is hilarious for some reason. I imagine after the 1-A through 0 revisions all of the abilities can be hammered out. The formatting and images on a majority of the profiles could be much better as well. The major problem is that unfortunately, it seems like only the people on this thread engage with LoTR, so it would probably take a while to get everything worked out.
Edit: Also the "unimpressive hax" part of the verse page needs to get negged because it offends me ;-;
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We got statements that should put cosmic souls Morgoth above concepts and limited BDE. Unimpressive hax my a**
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Fr lmao it is definitely at least much above the average verse in terms of hax, not even including the tier that they potentially work on
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Anyone know the size of Mordor? So far all I got is this: https://www.glyphweb.com/arda/m/mor...hape,,to west and four hundred north to south.
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Talk about outdated. At this point, LotR is arguably one of the strongest verses in all of fiction, alongside The Elder Scrolls, Marvel Comics, Cthulu Mythos, etc. And hot take incoming, LotR is a stronger verse than SCP. I have no regrets in saying that.
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Freezing cold take
Eru solos SCP
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Ah damn Vividen is back
I’d more call it some Kind of curse Manipulation, maybe even something like the Black Breath but on a larger scale
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Could definetly be that instead.
Hey, paleontology's pretty great as well. Used to be my dream as a kid.
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Never left haha
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Tier 0 changes will mean even the tier 3 Ainur are literally unkillable due to Eru's Únats.
I have some other stuff "cooking", but that's not till after the Elven page is done.
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I remember that you scaled the Nazgûl at Dwarf Star/Brown Dwarf level during the Third Age and at Star level with their Rings of Power. What feats/statements led you to that conclusion?
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That was very vague downscaling from the 4-A+ tier that many physical bodies of the Maiar and Valar were put at. Nowadays I hesitate to scale the Ringwraiths at all since their powerset is very specific and their stats are potentially all over the place.
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Yeah the Nazgûl are an absolute pain. Logically they should downscale from Gandalf the Grey and Glorfindel to some (emphasis on "some") extent, but they're emphasised to not be that stand out as warriors without fear (Witch-King aside).
Personal scaling wise, I view WotR top tiers as somewhere in tier 6. Of course, we lack calcs to support this, but it's my headcanon.
On the opposite end, I kinda hate how many we have at High 3-A (despite supporting it), but it's the way the scaling works so I don't really object it. Personally I view most of the High 3-A characters as tier 5 to 4.
Tier 0 and High 1-A+ I wholeheartedly stand by though.
Personal scaling wise, I view WotR top tiers as somewhere in tier 6. Of course, we lack calcs to support this, but it's my headcanon.
On the opposite end, I kinda hate how many we have at High 3-A (despite supporting it), but it's the way the scaling works so I don't really object it. Personally I view most of the High 3-A characters as tier 5 to 4.
Tier 0 and High 1-A+ I wholeheartedly stand by though.
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That's the funny thing with scaling Tolkien in general, First Age onward. There are a lot of ways to interpret scaling that are all equally valid "headcanons".
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This is why I love the Shadow of War Nazgul, their scaling is just so damn simple and their hax is so good
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Yeah, those games (alongside being great fun but lore headaches) have some neat hax. Love that they gave the Rings time related stuff. It's actually fairly justified with canon (with a bit of a stretch).
The canon Nazgûl will definetly get some solid stuff though (somehow forgot to use them to justify a solid Resistance to Fear Manipulation for Aragorn, need to do that in the future) like NI, an aura of disease, etc. Shame they get no regen though unlike SoW. They don't regen, their bodies are in the Unseen World and can't interact outside it. It's the cloaks that let them interact with the living world.
On the topic of undead, I also need to remember adding the justification to Legolas and Aragorn that ghosts are mentioned by Tolkien to impart supernatural fear. Should give them solid Resistance to Fear (or rather extra justification for Aragorn).
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Yeah, especially with how Tolkien cared more for telling a good story than powerscaling (thank goodness).
A lot of good drama in having Finrod be saved from orcs by Barahir. Powerscaling wise? It's a bit of a nightmare.
But tbf, the First Age has everyone being stronger than most of the later Ages, even orcs are stronger than their descendents (maybe not Uruks, but we have Maiar-in orc forms to handwave stuff like above).
The big scaling pains are the contradictory stuff like Gandalf the White > Andúril > Sauron (LA) > Sauron (WotR) > Gandalf the White > And...
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Gandalf the Grey =< Glorfindel (Reborn) =< Olorin >> Gandalf the Grey.
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Galadriel > Glorfindel > Gandalf the Grey > Galadriel... (the one that was accepted in Galadriel > Glorfindel > Gandalf I believe)
The middle one is why everyone is "likely far higher." Everyone might downscale from Olorin to some extent and Glorfindel has a decent statement, but it makes very little sense and is so paradoxical. Probably will need to revisit the scaling some time in the future.
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Which Tolkien character is the most likely to say this line?
"So I just found out that apparently, a lemon isn't naturally occurring. And is a hybrid by CROSS-BREEDING a BITTER ORANGE, and a CITRON! WHICH MEANS, LIFE NEVER GAVE US LEMONS... WE INVENTED THEM ALL BY OURSELVES!!!"
"So I just found out that apparently, a lemon isn't naturally occurring. And is a hybrid by CROSS-BREEDING a BITTER ORANGE, and a CITRON! WHICH MEANS, LIFE NEVER GAVE US LEMONS... WE INVENTED THEM ALL BY OURSELVES!!!"
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Could also imagine Saruman. The whole Uruk-hai thing.
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So real though. I personally imagined Ar-Pharazon because of his pride for Men and whatnot.
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I'm picking up strong Feanor vibes
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Feanor
Fëanor
Fëanor was a Ñoldorin Elf, second King of the Noldor, and one of the Elven kindred that departed from Valinor in the land of Aman, where they had lived with the Valar. He was born in Valinor, the only child of Finwë (High King of the Ñoldor) and Finwë's first wife Míriel Therindë. He was a...
lotr.fandom.com
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So Elrond decided to go down the path of Turin
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That kiss was one of the most ridiculous things the series has done
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Part of me really wants to watch RoP because of stuff I've seen on Tumblr but everyone has it rated really low so I'm conflicted now lol
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Elven abilities seem to be fairly non-extensive. Seems like the sections will be far shorter than the Ainur (even if it was a pain to scour). Don't think there's anymore basic abilities to go over so I'll move onto the High Elves, but someone tell me if I'm missing anything.
Personally I hated Season 1 so much I refused to watch Season 2. It was a bad adaption of Tolkien and a bad show in my opinion. But there are others who like it so ultimately, maybe give it a go for your own opinion.
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Season 2 is a notable improvement over the first season, in my opinion, but not good by any stretch. If season 1 was a C-, season 2 is a C.
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The Sauron content is certainly a highlight
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Don't think so? He'd probably be something like Above Average or Gifted.
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Basic Elves seem to have resistance to their inherent Empathic Manipulation, so that might give a layer to LoTR EM for High Elves and above (maybe another layer to the Ainur depending on HE discoveries).
This isn't much at first glance, but for the Valar and Greater Maiar, this means that they can bypass basic (maybe even another layer too) EM resistances and cause opponents to lose their free-will to fight (though faithful Ainur might need to be bloodlusted). Pretty neat hax upgrade for the tier 3s.
HE and EM on their level or above (like Aragorn or Maiar for the latter) would probably just get a stunning effect and emotional hinderance. Also some visual hinderance since opponents won't be able to meet their gaze.
This isn't much at first glance, but for the Valar and Greater Maiar, this means that they can bypass basic (maybe even another layer too) EM resistances and cause opponents to lose their free-will to fight (though faithful Ainur might need to be bloodlusted). Pretty neat hax upgrade for the tier 3s.
HE and EM on their level or above (like Aragorn or Maiar for the latter) would probably just get a stunning effect and emotional hinderance. Also some visual hinderance since opponents won't be able to meet their gaze.
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Yesn't. It's complicated.
He exists outside and beyond Eä, holding it and sustaining it as but thought (as God sustains all).
But at the same time, if you take the Secret Fire as the Holy Spirit, then he does. Also, by the very act of "holding" Eä, Eru technically has all of Eä within His grasp(mind, thought, whatever).
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He also intervened too, like with Aule and the dwarves and numenor so in a way, he is omnipresent?
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Maybe? Him being outside the World is very much relevant to the Legendarium and Tolkien's theology afterall (outside a certain coming).
Tbh, it's a very minor difference to a omnipotent.
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