GodlyCharmander
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DDM, I would really like your input about the Kaioken x10 being available before the Zenkai, as stated by Goku himself, and confirmed in the Daizenshuu too.This again? Are we really using flight speed as an excuse to downplay combat speeds again?
Anyway, their flight speeds are really only comparable to combat speed and attack speed in short bursts; their long term flight speed is typically much slower than their combat speeds. But their combat speed and short burst flight speed, is typically comparable if not superior to their ki blast attack speeds. Piccolo's feat is very blatant and they've only gotten superior. All "Anti-feats" are only for flight speed and not combat speed, and others are just typical, "Dragon Ball characters goof around all the time."
Anyway, the difference is that Kaioken multipliers are 100% in our faces and it's literally explained in every source that it multiplies AP, Speed, and Durability linearly. Frieza's Death Beams also have their own FTL statements in the Kaizenshuu which Goku struggled against a toying Frieza in base but literally casually plays with a serious Frieza in SSJ form. So the gaps are very blatant, not to mention, there's still a bunch of obvious gaps even outside of multipliers that we didn't even taken into account. So if anything, the multipliers alone are a lowball.
You said you disagreed with it, seemed to be because of the end result being MFTL+ rather than the statement being valid or not. Can you please elaborate?