Let's go over MFTL+ Dragon Ball Z

[Seol404]

I agree this should be applied, unless there is a better counter argument than "the multiplier is too big"

 

[Orange]

Oh oh I have a better argument
"Goku or daizenshu aren't reliable because goku and the daizenshu aren't reliable "

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's one staff and multiple people agreeing with Kaioken x10 chain. I think we need one more Staff to agree with it, and we're settled (As no one has given proper refutation for it).

The ten-fold statement apparently was rejected due to it being from a volume summary, which is fair, I guess.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

bump

 

[Orange]

Tbh
It would be better to write off a small summary if some staff wanted an explanation

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Tbh
It would be better to write off a small summary if some staff wanted an explanation

Will do. Post it right here, as I don't think anyone else will engage with the post

 

[Orange]

You go king!

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Summary of the current situation of the post

• While Goku was stated to have his speed increased ten-fold in a Volume Summary, it was rejected before, so no one is arguing for it.
• Goku stated he could use Kaioken x10 even before the Zenkai. Which was confirmed in the Daizenshuu.
• The current multiplier chain assumed Pre-Zenkai Goku can only go to Kaioken 4x. Having this changed to 10x will put SSJ Goku and Freeza at MFTL+
• One Staff, and 13 people (At least from what I've counted) agree with the new chain.
• Two neutral.
• Two people disagreed with it, AKM, and DDM. Both are Staff, but didn't give any solid reasoning to why they disagree with it.

 

[Orange]

About being ten times faster, what's the reason for it getting rejected?
Lemme guess "numbers too high!" "Unreliable!" "Outlier!"

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

No. Stop this madness. Frieza > Freeza.

Trunks: You must be Frieza

Freeza: Actually it's Lord Freeza

Trunks: Really? Then why is there an I in it?

Freeza: There isn't

 

[Tarang123]

Trunks: You must be Frieza

Freeza: Actually it's Lord Freeza

Trunks: Really? Then why is there an I in it?

Freeza: There isn't

Easiest way to properly explain it, tbf. TFS are legends.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

About being ten times faster, what's the reason for it getting rejected?
Lemme guess "numbers too high!" "Unreliable!" "Outlier!"

Second option, most likely. It's a Volume Summary with no official source, never stated in canon or in guides, so yeah. I imagine that's the reasoning.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

bump.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Summary of the current situation of the post

• While Goku was stated to have his speed increased ten-fold in a Volume Summary, it was rejected before, so no one is arguing for it.
• Goku stated he could use Kaioken x10 even before the Zenkai. Which was confirmed in the Daizenshuu.
• The current multiplier chain assumed Pre-Zenkai Goku can only go to Kaioken 4x. Having this changed to 10x will put SSJ Goku and Freeza at MFTL+
• One Staff, and 13 people (At least from what I've counted) agree with the new chain.
• Two neutral.
• Two people disagreed with it, AKM, and DDM. Both are Staff, but didn't give any solid reasoning to why they disagree with it.

b u m p.

Come on, I have more DB threads to make, and a some of misconceptions to nerf.

 

[Zezu1995]

i think this might be all the multipliers yall need unless someone posted it before http://i.prntscr.com/XgDhhqhCRrOZM19yIWWETw.png

 

[GodlyCharmander]

We're not trying to get multiplier accepted, we're trying to get an already accepted multiplier to be applied properly.

 

[Seol404]

Since no staff is replying perhaps you should consider pinging them. Just a suggestion.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Since no staff is replying perhaps you should consider pinging them. Just a suggestion.

I don't even know If I'm allowed to do so, usually @Zamasu_Chan is the one who helps with DB stuff, but he's probably busy.

Could you ping them?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Could you ping them?

Bruh you just did.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Summary of the current situation of the post

• While Goku was stated to have his speed increased ten-fold in a Volume Summary, it was rejected before, so no one is arguing for it.
• Goku stated he could use Kaioken x10 even before the Zenkai. Which was confirmed in the Daizenshuu.
• The current multiplier chain assumed Pre-Zenkai Goku can only go to Kaioken 4x. Having this changed to 10x will put SSJ Goku and Freeza at MFTL+
• One Staff, and 13 people (At least from what I've counted) agree with the new chain.
• Two neutral.
• Two people disagreed with it, AKM, and DDM. Both are Staff, but didn't give any solid reasoning to why they disagree with it.

bumping the summary

 

[KingTempest]

Sorry I'm late this thread was long asf

Tbh it looks good to me

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Sorry I'm late this thread was long asf

A LOT of derailing

Tbh it looks good to me

Thanks.

That's two staff and 13 people supporting the update to the chain, what do I need to do to have this applied?

 

[Orange]

The general assumption is that if there are no disagreement and two stadd agreement, then the thread should get applied [correct me if I'm wrong]
Just ask one of the staff to unlock the profiles and do the neccessarily changes [tho you need confirmation from staff members]

 

[Spinoirr]

What is the new speed multipliers are we useing again?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

What is the new speed multipliers are we useing again?

There's--- a summary------

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

What is the new speed multipliers are we useing again?

its 4 messages above you.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I agree with the OP.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

God damn it, I think I need to ask AKM if they'll dispute it or not.

If I don't have to do this, I will need the following profiles unlocked:

Goku (Dragon Ball Z)
Son Goku (Chou)

Android 16
Android 17
Android 19
Dr. Gero
Android 18
(They're in order of importance)

Cell
Cell Jr.
Dabura
Freeza
Future Gohan
Future Trunks
Gotenks
King Cold
Krillin
Shin
Majin Buu
Son Gohan (Z and Super)
Son Goten
Trunks
Vegeta (Z, Chou and Super)
Vegito
Piccolo

****....

 

[Orange]

Tbh while we are at it
since ssj1 and kk multipliers are accepted, shouldn't toei speed feats get revised too? [Mainly pikkon and goku feat]

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Tbh while we are at it
since ssj1 and kk multipliers are accepted, shouldn't toei speed feats get revised too? [Mainly pikkon and goku feat]

yes but later.

 

[Orange]

yes but later.

After this gets finished [hopefully]

 

[Huzy]

Here's a quick suggestion to check whether these multipliers are consistent. Try applying these same multipliers to travel speed and then check whether they're consistent with the feats.

 

[Orange]

Here's a quick suggestion to check whether these multipliers are consistent. Try applying these same multipliers to travel speed and then check whether they're consistent with the feats.

Travel speed is slower than combat/reaction speed

 

[Orange]

I mean, unless you want goku to be mach 30 in saiyan saga~

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why would I apply a combat technique to a non-combative attribute?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

But yes, it's consistent. Saiyan Saga Goku wasn't able to catch up to Nappa flying, and using Kaioken 2x he double his travel speed

 

[KLOL506]

Here's a quick suggestion to check whether these multipliers are consistent. Try applying these same multipliers to travel speed and then check whether they're consistent with the feats.

DB characters can consistently fly, fight and react at the same exact speeds in case the infamous battle rushes aren't evident, so this argument is practically moot.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

God damn it, I think I need to ask AKM if they'll dispute it or not.

Do I need to do that before asking the profiles to be unlocked?

 

[Huzy]

DB characters can consistently fly, fight and react at the same exact speeds in case the infamous battle rushes aren't evident, so this argument is practically moot.

So time to downgrade people, they have a lot of anti-feats if their travel speed is the same as their combat speed.

 

[Huzy]

Travel speed is slower than combat/reaction speed

Ok? The multipliers apply to everything. If the combat speed is increased then the travel speed is also increased by the same amount.