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Leon Belmont vs Yhwach
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Hellscream
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?...
That's only one aspect of the balance just saying
Hellscream
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Didn't Yhwach get beaten in a melee fight? Not exactly painting me with much confidence in his supposed ability to prevent anything his opponents can do.
Hellscream
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It's just that you haven't seen Dracula yet, if it was him against Yhwach, the Yhwach would die instantly by the 4D passives.
Even if I put Leon only with Vampire Killer, it would probably be a stomp too. Because of layered 4D powernull passive.
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Not so good Win con TBH
Starting distance is 4KM and Leon has 2-C range abilities
All Leon has to do is decide to lead with Sealing/Grand Cross and GG
Yhwach seeing it coming with Precog won’t stop it from happening
Yhwach cant fate Hax himself outside of 2-C range and Yhwach can’t fate Hax Leon either to make Leon’s attacks NOT happen/occur
Add the fact Leon has the Conceptual Manipulation needed for Conceptual Erase/Destruction thus Negating Yhwachs Regen and Booyah
Leon GG
Balance requires Yhwach to get up close and personal in all
Likehood
Something he can’t do before Leon Seals/Grand Cross him with 2-C
Hellscream
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Yeah the 2-C range is good and all except for that Yhwach has 2-A range.
Yhwach seeing an infinite amount of futures, and being able to manipulate his own fate can definetly prevent it from happening.
Useless
GG based on nothing
Hellscream
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Let me rephrase that, Yhwach can't prevent the attack from happening, but he can fate hax himself so no attack ever connects.
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Yhwach can SEE across 2-A range
He cannot MOVE across 2-A range
Simple concept
One is seeing and one is moving
2-A Precog grants him to see across a 2-A range
He can’t dimension hop across 2-A range
To prevent it from happening he has to alter LEON’s fate as well to NOT use Sealing/Grand Cross
Leon resist fate Hax so Yhwach is NOT gonna stop Sealing/Grandcross from happening
And Yhwach CANT PHYSICALLY MOVE across a 2-A range either
So how he stops Sealing/Grand Cross or escapes it’s AoE is beyond my logic
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That would require Fate Haxing Leon’s attack to NOT WORK on him which he can’t do because Leon resists Fate Hax
Yhwachs fate Hax can’t influence anything Leon does
And Fate Haxing himself to not got hit by unknown means is in fact Fate Hax influencing Leon and his abilities
Hellscream
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Yhwach can SEE across 2-A range
And Yhwach can FATE HAX himself across 2-A range
simple concept
Why are you even trying to argue for 2-C range?
Is it a 2-C nuke on his 4-A key
No he doesn't, he doesn't need to alter his fate at all lol.
Hellscream
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He doesn't need to fate hax his abilities stop pulling shit out of thin air.
Simple concept
EldemadeDityjon
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X axis ignores the concepts of dodging its not just spatial manipulation. It manipulates the logic
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I remember that while it can’t be dodged you can still aim dodge
Hellscream
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No.
Yhwach fate haxing himself so he doesn't get hit isn't affecting Belmont at all.
He simply has resistance against fate manipulation, which causes yhwach's fate manip to be uneffective on HIM not HIMSELF
Yhwach fate haxing himself so he doesn't get hit isn't affecting Belmont at all.
He simply has resistance against fate manipulation, which causes yhwach's fate manip to be uneffective on HIM not HIMSELF
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Ok. Nothing he can do about it though.
OK. Still enough time for León to do 4D sealing which Yhwach doesn’t resist.
Can you prove this extends to him being able to revive after 4D sealing? Him seeing the stopwatch doesn’t mean he can stop León from using it.
Yhwach still has to move to perform attacks and León either resists what Yhwach does or can regen enough to use his stop watch in time.
Probability based durability negation wouldn’t work here since León would first need to attack Yhwach for “the balance’s good luck” to take affect and transfer the damages
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Leon FRA.
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You guys sure this isn’t a stomp?
Hellscream
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Ok. He doesn't need to do anything about it since Yhwach's attacks are pretty much instant through fate hax and precog.
Ok. same reason as above.
Ok. irrelevant yet again
Ok. Leon doesn't resist probability manipulation, actually he doesn't even resist Yhwach's powernul in this key
Ok. Buddy what damage transer are you talking about?
Ok. same reason as above.
Ok. irrelevant yet again
Ok. Leon doesn't resist probability manipulation, actually he doesn't even resist Yhwach's powernul in this key
Ok. Buddy what damage transer are you talking about?
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The distance I gave was 50 meters.
And we are using your 4-A key, i.e. no Highly-Godly Regeneration Negation
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And despite all that guess what
He’s still 50m away from a 2-C range sealing/grandcross
Yhwach being PHYSICALLY present in front of Sealing/Gran Cross is itself the problem here
Manipulating his fate across 2-A range does Jack if in all of them each Yhwach is facing their own Version of Leon who RESISTS Fate Hax and thus Fate Cannot be manipulate Leon’s attacks and abilities
Every Future Yhwach sees is a possibility as stated by himself and in each possibility he’s facing A Vampire Hunter who cannot be influenced by Fate Hax with a 2-C ranged Sealing/Cross
So what having 2-A range fate does here exactly if all of them Leon can’t be fate haxed and has sealing/grand cross that outranges Yhwach?
Yes
Not even Deceived would argue this nonsense Jesus Christ
Neither the Belmont nor his Abilities CANNOT be influenced by Fate Hax
And the Sealing/Grand Cross covers a 2-C range which Yhwach can’t PHYSICALLY move outside of
You stating that Yhwach can manipulate his own fate to make the attack not work against or not hit him despite clearly being in its range is Inadvertently saying that he can influence the Belmont fate to make his attacks not work against him or hit him
Let me break it down simply
I’m in a Boxing Ring with Mike Tyson and he can’t be affected by fate Hax
Tyson what’s to TKO me and he throws his punch
I manipulate my own fate to make it that none of Tysons attacks will hit me
Did you here that
I’m using Fate to influence Tysons ability to hit me
What do you think happens considering Tyson resist Fate Hax?
Fate can’t touch him nor influence his actions. Tyson punching me is a direct action by Tyson that fate can’t influence. I’m trying to use Fate to directly affect Tyson to make his attacks fail. There is no such thing as I manipulate my own fate so Tyson’s attacks miss without consequently affecting Tyson as well
I’d get knock the #%$@ out
Hellscream
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- Curse Manipulation, Energy Absorption and Power Nullification: (Can resist the effects of the Curse status effect which can drain one's Magic and nullify their ability to attack[33])
How does this give resistance against powernull?
That's literally just resistance against energy absorption??????
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Just to say Leon can scale to Trevor and Richter who can blow up monsters with their bare hands and also use vampire killer so take that as you will
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You can make a CRT to remove it.
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Yup
The Yhwach can make AoE attacks from a being who resists Fate Hax miss by manipulating his own Fate arguments are in no way convincing at all
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Looks like power null to me.
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That's just the portrait of ruin effects. In other games it literally prevents you from attacking, regardless of your MP.
Obviously each game the effects of the curse change a little, but putting it all together, it does everything it says there.
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I think imma have to disagree with this here. Yhwach can alter his fate to change his location as shown with Ichigo. So in this scenario it is applicable.
these aren’t mutually exclusive things. Both abilities can be encompassed by the same power.
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Also, because of the Belmont Bloodline, Leon can resist the magic of Dracula's Castle, and Dracula has that:
Power Nullification and Statistics Reduction (Dracula's castle can render one's power pathetic[31] and nullify it completely[31])
Weird it's not listed in the Belmont resistances, well, I didn't do those updates, so I don't know.
Hellscream
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I don't care anymore tbh.
Repeating the same shit 20 times to 10 different people for the same arguments over and over and over.
20 people asking about about the durability negation literally 5 different people using arguments of damage transferal THAT I NOT ONCE MENTIONED
Literally 20 people coming up with arguments that i never even said at all.
Repeating the same shit 20 times to 10 different people for the same arguments over and over and over.
20 people asking about about the durability negation literally 5 different people using arguments of damage transferal THAT I NOT ONCE MENTIONED
Literally 20 people coming up with arguments that i never even said at all.
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My apologies for not being clear enough here
I specifically meant altering my own fate for Tyson’s attacks to not hitting without me needing to change positions
In the case of Leon and Yhwach
Leon’s sealing/grandcross is an AoE with 2-C and Hellscream argued that Yhwach could use Fate Hax to make that somehow miss
In that similar fashion, I can manipulate my own fate to make Tysons attack miss without my need to move or shift positions
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Because this is how the Balance is described to work.
Probability Manipulation, Damage Transferal, Limited Causality Manipulation and Durability Negation with The Balance (The Balance is Haschwalth's Schrift that allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude. Jugram can additionally absorb misfortune into his Freund Schild to amplify the misfortune he controls and amplifies it when redirecting it to his opponent[3]. This ability can be used to kill people the user could not even harm before[4])
Look at the part that says: "all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude"
Also, in the linked scans, it's showing Jugram only using his Balance when he's injured. You didn't present how Yhwach used this Probability Manipulation to attack Leon, without having to be injured first. So people keep asking.
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I'm going to respectfully ask you to not make comments like this. If you don't comply, straight to the RVT you go.
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@GilverTheProtoAngelo I take offense to that, I don’t use lube, I just use my third eye for the wank. 
@Phsccarvalho that should be in the belmont page, must’ve forgottten it. Either way Yhwach isn’t getting through that resistance
@Phsccarvalho that should be in the belmont page, must’ve forgottten it. Either way Yhwach isn’t getting through that resistance
Hellscream
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Chapter 559 of bleach,
I literally stated a multiple-times to multiple different people that this is only an aspect of the ability.
In chapter 559, Jugram attacks Cang du, who can harden his body up to the point where jugram can't even scratch him.
Jugram says that him not being cut but jugram is considered as good luck > the balance negates that > the attack cuts through him
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I’m pretty sure the Balance can be used without the need for taking damage
As seen when Jugram used the balance to cut through Iron Man and he never took any damage from him
The problem here lies in the activation
The opponent must experience good fortune first for Balance to be effective
In Leon’s case, any good fortune first turn attack will be a First Turn Kill so their will be no second turn for Balance to redirect misfortune back at Leon
Hellscream
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Dude i can't believe my own eyes
I LITERALLY JUST EXPLAINED HOW IT WORKS
I LITERALLY JUST EXPLAINED HOW IT WORKS
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