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Leon Belmont vs Yhwach

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I already added the votes, being generous and included Hellscream even if his arguments don't hold a lot of ground.
 
Resisting mutation =/= resisting your nerves being controlled and manipulated by your opponents nerves.

Except for that Yhwach was affected by aizen's Kyoka suigetsu, which affects 4-D precognition and is a non factor here.
Like i said, he never had any need to used anything besides the almighty since it's his most powerful ability.
And yhwach can see that the fate manipulation (an aspect of the almighty) is useless here.

Yhwach will deem his fate manipulation to be useless, but the almighty isn't only fate manipulation.

The balance works for one, by altering probability that can negate durability for example when an attack doesn't pierce your body due to your body being too durable, that's considered as good luck, which the balance then negates and causes it to pierce you nonetheless.

And robo, Yhwach used Auswahlen on jugram, which absorbed his schrift and powers so yes he does have it.
 
@Phsccarvalho It's an out of character move for Yhwach that requires him to get hit by Leon, which at that point he's already negged in several different ways with his immortality and his regeneration plus stronger soul hax with the magic scaling so Yhwach just dies before he can even do it.

@Hellscream Still labeled as biological manipulation, which is again resisted, bring feats it works on a 4-D level or drop it.

So just more proof that he doesn't use the sternritters abilities in character despite having the almighty.

the Balance won't help given he stays permanently dead and is required to get hit in the first place, meaning he just instantly dies right away, and even assuming it does work, Leon can regenerate these wounds and even resurrect if it somehow kills him, so he'd just seal Yhwach away and he'd be incapable of getting out.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Phsccarvalho It's an out of character move for Yhwach that requires him to get hit by Leon, which at that point he's already negged in several different ways with his immortality and his regeneration plus stronger soul hax with the magic scaling so Yhwach just dies before he can even do it.

@Hellscream Still labeled as biological manipulation, which is again resisted, bring feats it works on a 4-D level or drop it.

So just more proof that he doesn't use the sternritters abilities in character despite having the almighty.

the Balance won't help given he stays permanently dead and is required to get hit in the first place, meaning he just instantly dies right away, and even assuming it does work, Leon can regenerate these wounds and even resurrect if it somehow kills him, so he'd just seal Yhwach away and he'd be incapable of getting out.
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For one, there are multiple types of biological control, resisting mutation is:
  • Manipulation of cells/Genetic level - Control at the level of organic cells or genes, which makes it possible to initiate various mutations, as well as to protect the user from diseases. Additionally, such ability generally provides a high level of adaptation and regeneration, and evolve very quickly in some cases.
Which is not what the compulsory does.
Unless if you claim that he has all types of biological manipulation which he doesn't.

Irrelevant, OP states that he can use them. And i already explained why yhwach doesn't use other schrifts besides the almighty.
Nobody in bleach resists his hax, so he doesn't need to use anything else.
Bemont resists his fate manipulation, which yet again Yhwach can see through his precog.. and will therefore use all the other shit in his arsenal.

The balance isn't only damage transferal though? i literally explained what it can do "The balance works for one, by altering probability that can negate durability for example when an attack doesn't pierce your body due to your body being too durable, that's considered as good luck, which the balance then negates and causes it to pierce you nonetheless."
 
Hellscream said:
Manipulation of cells/Genetic level - Control at the level of organic cells or genes, which makes it possible to initiate various mutations, as well as to protect the user from diseases. Additionally, such ability generally provides a high level of adaptation and regeneration, and evolve very quickly in some cases.
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This far superior to anything Yhwach can display.
Genetic levels of control>>>>never level.

So you defeated your own arguement.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
This far superior to anything Yhwach can display.
Genetic levels of control>>>>never level.

So you defeated your own arguement.
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Unless if you have those types of biological manipulation, it's irrelevant.
Resisting one type =/= resisting all of them.

Prove that he can resist Yhwach mangling his nerves through body control.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Phsccarvalho It's an out of character move for Yhwach that requires him to get hit by Leon, which at that point he's already negged in several different ways with his immortality and his regeneration plus stronger soul hax with the magic scaling so Yhwach just dies before he can even do it.
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Unfortunately I can't seem to look away from my phone. What the hell. I think I'll only end up stopping when I have 5%

Glass, I'm talking about the Almighty's manipulation of causality.
 
Hellscream said:
Unless if you have those types of biological manipulation, it's irrelevant.
Resisting one type =/= resisting all of them.

Prove that he can resist Yhwach mangling his nerves through body control.
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That's like saying Molecular matter manip can neg quantum hax resistance, because both are supposedly different.

That's illogical.

Different kinds of haxxes have different heirarchy. For stuff like matter hax and bio hax, the more delicate and finer you control becomes the more potent it is.
 
what does a castle that mutates/ corrupts beings inside of it over time have to do with your nerves being forcefully mangled by your opponent?
I don't see the connection

And then again, it's not the only wincon, while belmont has none.
Even if Yhwach didn't have any valid wincons, it'd still be an incon at best.
 
Actually, how is he even resisting biological manipulation at all, when he resists the source thats causing the mutation which is magic?
 
Hellscream said:
Actually, how is he even resisting biological manipulation at all, when he resists the source thats causing the mutation which is magic?
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"How is he resisting mind control, when he's resisting the source that causes it, which is chakra?"


Ignoring how legimitately straw grasping this is, a thread isn't the place for a revision. I'm skeptical of your chance of actually getting it removed but regardless.
 
Planck69 said:
"How is he resisting mind control, when he's resisting the source that causes it, which is chakra?"


Ignoring how legimitately straw grasping this is, a thread isn't the place for a revision. I'm skeptical of your chance of actually getting it removed but regardless.
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Literally irrelevant

If the certain nature of a source can be corruptive in nature, resisting the said source itself shouldn't give resistance against corruption, when it's the source that's being resisted.

And even in the context of what you said, if chakra itself gets resisted then the chakra based mind control gets resisted as well because chakra is the source of it's powers, that doesn't grant you mind control resistance though?..

The same thing goes for askin nakk le vaar negating any reiatsu based attack on him, due to negating the source of the power itself.
 
Robo said:
correct me if im wrong but the balance comes from the sleep induced power swapping which is likely not combat applicable unless specified...
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The last pre-battle yhwach absorbed the powers of jugram so it could be used.
 
Glassman never refuted any of my arguments about yhwach never being able to be hit in the first place.
Literally just ignored them
 
Hellscream said:
No, that's not a wincon as i explained above.
He's not hitting Yhwach at all.
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I read the arguments. I disagreed with yours. That simple.

You can keep screeching that there's no win conditions and I won't stop you. But I really can't be bothered to keep going back and forth.
 
There is nothing to disagree with, either refute and address my argument or your disagreement / agreement are invalid.
 
Just because you have uber precognition doesn't mean you are untaggable. Does Yhwach actually has skill feats to back up such a extended dodging session?

Seems like a stretch.
 
Planck69 said:
Oneshotting with immortality, regeneration and resistance negation beyond what Yhwach can handle.
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how does interacting with multiple abstract entities work against layered abstraction? Also, I don't think yhwach has surpassed his immortality, and if there is yhwach who use other quincy hax, do he really resist those hax?
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Just because you have uber precognition doesn't mean you are untaggable. Does Yhwach actually has skill feats to back up such a extended dodging session?

Seems like a stretch.
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He used the Almighty and his precognition to teleport himself behind ichigo.
And stated he can change and alter the entirety of his fate that he sees fit
Uber precognition itself doesn't make you untaggable, but being able to alter your own fate combined with uber precognition does.

So no, it's not a stretch.
 
The Almighty isn't even consistently used as an infinite dodging mechanism for that to even matter. Most of the arguments here have a foundation on abilities Yhwach rarely actually does use. So to me, Leon's more consistent win condition is better.

That's all I'll say on the matter.
 
Planck69 said:
The Almighty isn't even consistently used as an infinite dodging mechanism for that to even matter. Most of the arguments here have a foundation on abilities Yhwach rarely actually does use. So to me, Leon's more consistent win condition is better.

That's all I'll say on the matter.
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Because yhwach literally doesn't even need to dodge in the series, he passively nullifies anything thrown at him..
Which is not the case here, since he resists Yhwach's 4-d powernul i assume?
Which he yet again sees.
He can literally see himself being blown up in the future, and alter it so it never even hit him in the first place.

All of my arguments are based on how the almighty works and have a solid foundation.

Like i said, he has no wincon at all.
 
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