I'm talking about the scene where Zuko runs to intercept Azula's lightning. Several years ago some people on here even considered that scene an outlier cause it was faster then the other feats.
Does he run faster than the lightning? And as I said before, they would scale to this feat unless someone thinks that Zuko>> Raava and Vaatu, Just check where Zuko is in the accepted scaling chain and see if the characters that were frozen to Korra are >>Zuko
Yes. The lightning was not fired at him, and he intentionally ran over to intercept it to save Katara. If it was fired directly at him, he would have no trouble running away from it. It was fired from a short distance away too (from one end of the courtyard to the other).
That's part of the problem; no one in the scene is necessarily considered to be quicker or more powerful then Zuko. An argument could be made for Tenzin, since he is considered a master while Zuko wasn't (at the time). But I feel like that isn't enough.
Nobody who was in the scene scales to someone comparable or superior to Zuko? This is kind of unbelievable, Well, if no one scales to Zuko there's not much you can do
Everyone in the scene is comparable, but not really more powerful, at least in a one-shot sense. Tenzin was trained and raised by Aang and Katara, who fought with Zuko.
I just looked over a few scenes that I forgot as well.
Maybe it works
a mod would have to check.
Didn't someone mention that they were fighting when they were frozen? Assuming they are purposely slowing down in a battle with comparable enemies and that will result in the end of the universe doesn't seem very logical.
Even if they were it only result in "At least MHS+" rather than FTL.
As Damage said, you need a stated speed to use or the fest would need to happen in the scene itself.
Are you referring to this?
He was fighting enemies in the scene. In fact, he fires off a bolt of lightning at the 8 second mark in the video.
How so? Every person in the scene was in the middle of a fight, with the goal of the dark spirits being to kill Korra's body. If one person had paused and remained motionless while the light was descending, that would be one thing, but the fact that every being except for Korra is motionless while she crouches and lands indicates that this action is happening faster then they can perceive.
Stated, or shown? You people seem to be going back and forth on whether shown feats are just as valid as stated feats. I've given official statements from the characters that Mako and base Korra are comparable to Zuko, who was able to run over to a light ing bolt.
The word there is calculated. Calced speed can't be used, but a stated speed or known displayed speed in the scene (such as breaking the sound barrier) would be useable.
Because it's scaling above them. Calcing speed in the scene wouldn't be allowed.
This would be useable for a calc. It is a stated speed of a character, so you would be able to use Mach 20 as a baseline speed for a calc.
How would novels fit into the "official" statement criteria? Would a speed feat by itself count since the author has written down the feat? How about a character's thought process as they're performing the feat?
If you can prove that X = Y explicitly then they might be useable.
Other than a nuclear weapon or meteor impact, no explosion gets to MHS+. Most are Hypersonoc to HH for a fraction of a millisecond before they rapidly decrease in speed due to how shockwaves propagate.
Zuko does have a scene of running faster than lightning. The fight against azula. But I guess it is treated as an outlier
We discussed that earlier. They said it's not usable because it doesn't happen in the same scene as the opening video, and there's no proof that can can move at that speed all the time.
Exactly what I said. If it was not treated as an outlier and zuko was in that scene then it would have counted
In the Yangchen novels, Yangchen does have a few instances of nullifying the epicenter/starting point of a town-sized explosion (coming from benders similar to this guy). She explicitly trained to do so with another combustionbender so that she could react in time when it came to face her real foe (the training took place in a cave, so over a short distance). This would then scale to other people that the Avatar has faced via the knowledge and skills from the avatar state.
I'm curious what you mean by that; but I'm not really focused on the light part anyway, just the perspective part.
It helps that 99% of the verse scales to each other speed-wise. Only Korra's AS has shown a clear difference in speed when it's active.
They are fighting to stop the spirits from entering the tree and they are constantly fighting until Korra comes down as they are frozen.
Q says that reacting to a nuclear-sized explosion is MH+ speed, and I posted scans of that happening. From there, several people scale from Yangchen's speed to the present day. You keep being vague in your rebuttals, not explaining why the things I post don't count.
I don't know how I could have been any clearer to be honest.
I wasn't referring to that scene. I was referring to the scene in the OP featuring Korra.
Oh, well Lynieryz put it best. Everyone in that scene is fighting for the literal fate of the world, with the dark spirits trying to kill Korra and the human's trying to fend them off. Doesn't make sense for everyone to spontaneously freeze up, and we know that time isn't literally frozen for artistic effect in that scene because the light in the background is still moving.
I don't see anyone mid-motion / mid-attack there. I went through the scene frame-by-frame from 1:05 onwards. Except for Mako stepping back slightly, all of the other characters are literally standing still and not in combat any more.
The spirits remain in constant movement until Korra descends and the spirits continue at the same speed as they were when fighting.
Yep. Korra's group were moving back because they becoming tired out, while the spirits were still moving when the scene took place. And when the camera is panned out afterwards, you can see that the spirits were still moving right before they're vaporized. It's kind of hard to tell in the vid I posted cause it's not good quality and the spirits are way in the background; I'll post a better quality one when I'm done with work.
My memory was wrong. The spirits are not moving when the camera pans out. But that just means that Korra came down faster then they could perceive and dissipated them all.
And this would not just count for travel speed, since as I stated in the op, she was not in a full crouch position when she teleported away from the physical world, which means she changed her position as she was coming down. There's also the moment when she stopped her flight when she spotted Vaatu in order to ram him, which would count as a reaction.
Oh yeah, according to Damage everyone spontaneously decided to stop moving. Nothing to do with speed.
It would just be "At least MHS+"
